Shotshell components???

Never ever considered taking a turkey at 50 yards so i have no clue, all shots were 10-25 yards. It was Winchester supreme turkey 3.5" shells.

Definitely arent fitting 2oz of buckshot in a 3" hull, that's 43 4buck which would be out the hull.. I've only ever seen 41pel which is 1 7/8.


Could possibly fit 2oz of T shot, but it would need to be a federal buck hull which you aren't finding anymore unless you buy factory shells and shoot them. I've never seen a recipe for 2oz 3" that wasn't that hull with 571 powder (discontinued) but it may be possible.
 
Back in the the late 90s I shot three turkeys with my 10 gauge at 85, 87, and 95 yards with lead loads. Back before I had patience to wait and call them in closer. Two out of the three i had to run uo while they were still flopping to step on them just to make sure they didnt run off. One did get back up and i had to run about 10' to catch it instead of shooting again. So imo 85 yards is pushing the envelope with #5 lead. I also took ome back then at a 100 yards with lead #4. Seven hits in the neck and ome behind the eye that exited...that was with a 2oz PMC #4 3" 12 gauge factory load. Got lucky i guess. My ethics have changed through the decades and all my turkeys since have been WAY under 25 yards to the point ive missed a few because the patternes probabaly looked like a slug. Its still nice to load my 2.5 oz loads for a longer shot if needed. The last 20 years i must be gettng old because im afraid to take a shot last 40 yards at birds. I want to make sure they dont go anywhere. I wait till they are to close tbe last decade and end up missing because my pattern is too tight.
 
I'd have to go back and look at the boxes that I have.But I have remington winchester and federal three inch number four buck. I think they're all either thirty nine or forty one count. They all shoot stupid tight in mobile .680 GT tube. Ive gotten 6 pellets in a 5 inch circle at 60 yards with them.
 
Dultimatpredator said:
I'd have to go back and look at the boxes that I have.But I have remington winchester and federal three inch number four buck. I think they're all either thirty nine or forty one count. They all shoot stupid tight in mobile .680 GT tube. Ive gotten 6 pellets in a 5 inch circle at 60 yards with them.
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My Federal 3" 4buck says 41 pellet and the shot weighed 2oz.
 
Rock Knocker said:
My Federal 3" 4buck says 41 pellet and the shot weighed 2oz.
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Could be if they are using a super dense soft lead. Should be between 20 and 22gr per pellet. You cant get those hulls tho, they are the most roomy of any hull ever made and havent been available to reloaders for 5+ years now.

For buckshot reloading youll use a buckshot recipe, which will tell you how many pellets to use and how to stack them. You wont use a shot recipe as they wont fit (bigger the shot the less fits in a hull).

For T shot you can probably use a normal lead shot recipe but you may not get it all to fit, may have to remove a few pellets.
 
Im parked just outside ballistic products now trying to figure out what else I should get while im down here. My reloading equipment and manuals have arrived but they are up in Brainerd right now and I havent seen them.

I want some teflon wraps.... I would like to try another wad beside the MG42. I need to check if BP carries tough wads.
 
Rock Knocker said:
Im parked just outside ballistic products now trying to figure out what else I should get while im down here. My reloading equipment and manuals have arrived but they are up in Brainerd right now and I havent seen them.

I want some teflon wraps.... I would like to try another wad beside the MG42. I need to check if BP carries tough wads.
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The mylar wrap is just to protect the barrel from hard shot (tss), doesnt change pattern and would be a waste of money in lead/buckshot.

You need to decide what load you want to make before you buy components. This isnt rifle, you dont buy components then see what works... You decide on a specific recipe and follow it exactly with the exact components it says, hull, primer, wad, exact powder charge, and exact shot weight. If you change something and go over pressure, it's not usually an "opps better back down" like with rifle, youll be picking up gun parts off the ground and out of your face
 
BBK said:
The mylar wrap is just to protect the barrel from hard shot (tss), doesnt change pattern and would be a waste of money in lead/buckshot.

You need to decide what load you want to make before you buy components. This isnt rifle, you dont buy components then see what works... You decide on a specific recipe and follow it exactly with the exact components it says, hull, primer, wad, exact powder charge, and exact shot weight. If you change something and go over pressure, it's not usually an "opps better back down" like with rifle, youll be picking up gun parts off the ground and out of your face
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Yeah, I just wanted to have a pile of components so I can try different recipes when I look at the manuals. I will follow all recipes until I have a cheap gun strapped to my stump.

Now I have a pile of stuff, the other day I MG42 wads, today I got BP12 wads, CSD114 and some of their original buffer.

I think i have 750 wads now in 3 flavors plus what I need for loads without a wads.

An idea just crossed my mind, im not sure if others here would be interested but I would love to trade some of this stuff for other components that I dont have. Ive got 250 of each wad, 250 of one type would be a lifetime supply...

If anyone wants to trade stuff, Ive got more than I need of what I got and im looking for some stuff that I dont have.
 
A 1-1/2 oz load of lead T shot has about 56 pellets in it, a 1-7/8 oz load of lead #4 buckshot has about 41 pellets in it. So the lighter T shot load has about 36.5% more pellets per shell. Lead T shot starting out at 1300 fps gives good coyote killing penetration at 66 yards.

The odds of making clean kills on coyotes are much better if you have 15 more pellets per shell that give the penetration that is needed.
 
Perfect, T and F are what Im starting out with. I look forward to loading and testing my own stuff but I dont have the highest hopes with my cylinder barrel, im sure im going to need chokes but at least im going to see what pattern I get first.

I will be testing tungsten also but I figured I will get some lead loaded and shooting first.
 
Rock Knocker said:
Perfect, T and F are what Im starting out with. I look forward to loading and testing my own stuff but I dont have the highest hopes with my cylinder barrel, im sure im going to need chokes but at least im going to see what pattern I get first.

I will be testing tungsten also but I figured I will get some lead loaded and shooting first.
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Im not sure youll hit the plate at 40-60yds with the cyl choke. (Use a paper plate for your kill pattern, that's approx the vitals area of the coyote whether you shoot for head/neck or heart/lungs/spine.
 
No, I think thats high hopes but I could be surprised. The Federal 4buck, from the cylinder barrel probably put 6 on a paper plate at 40 yards, its wasnt so bad, Ive got a paper plate I could got check but now ive got two shots on the pattern paper. With different wads and a bit smaller shot I think its worth a good try and some fun loading and shooting before sending the barrel off to wait and wait for choke work. I also keep hearing of other upgraded or higher end short tactical shotguns with the forcing cone lengthened for buckshot, Ive never seen side by side comparisons but Im sure Im going to have that done when I send it in.

I checked out of curiosity yesterday, if i remember correct It was 50 #T for just under 1.5oz load or 51 #T for just over 1.5oz. The Federal are 41 4buck at 2oz, I would like to find some 1 3/4-1 7/8oz buckshot recipes and try with #T and #F.

I just checked. With two shots it was 11, almost 12 4buck on a paper plate at 40 yards with a 33" pattern. If I could get numbers like that at 50-55 yards I think I would be a happy camper. But thoes huge 3" Federal 4buck shoot high in both my BPSs, I was hoping a bit milder shells would bring that down to shoot with the birdshot.
 
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Rock Knocker said:
Perfect, T and F are what Im starting out with. I look forward to loading and testing my own stuff but I dont have the highest hopes with my cylinder barrel, im sure im going to need chokes but at least im going to see what pattern I get first.

I will be testing tungsten also but I figured I will get some lead loaded and shooting first.
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Load some 1-1/2 oz loads of TSS #3 or #4 shot loads and pattern them through your cylinder barrel before you spend a bunch of money on barrel work. TSS shot patterns way tighter than lead shot because it is perfectly round and dose not deform when the shell is fired and by having way more pellets per shell you won't need a real tight pattern.

From KPY Shotshell Ballistics
1200 fps lead T shot gets 3.70" of gel penetration at 59.7 yards and has about 70 pellets in 1-7/8 oz of shot.
1200 fps lead F shot gets 3.70" of gel penetration at 80.1 yards and has about 53 pellets in 1-7/8 oz of shot.

1300 fps TSS #4 shot gets 3.70" of gel penetration at 78.9 yards and has about 125 pellets in 1-1/2 oz of shot.
1300 fps TSS #3 shot gets 3.70" of gel penetration at 96.8 yards and has about 100 pellets in 1-1/2 oz of shot.
 
derbyacresbob said:
Load some 1-1/2 oz loads of TSS #3 or #4 shot loads and pattern them through your cylinder barrel before you spend a bunch of money on barrel work. TSS shot patterns way tighter than lead shot because it is perfectly round and dose not deform when the shell is fired and by having way more pellets per shell you won't need a real tight pattern.

From KPY Shotshell Ballistics
1200 fps lead T shot gets 3.70" of gel penetration at 59.7 yards and has about 70 pellets in 1-7/8 oz of shot.
1200 fps lead F shot gets 3.70" of gel penetration at 80.1 yards and has about 53 pellets in 1-7/8 oz of shot.

1300 fps TSS #4 shot gets 3.70" of gel penetration at 78.9 yards and has about 125 pellets in 1-1/2 oz of shot.
1300 fps TSS #3 shot gets 3.70" of gel penetration at 96.8 yards and has about 100 pellets in 1-1/2 oz of shot.
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Those numbers are hard to believe, Ive heard nothing but good things.

How do I get a hold of HawgLips? My big package of shotshell equipment showed up including TUWSBL28 wads and 2 3/4" hulls I hear match Hawglips load data, I just cant find HawgLips....
 
www.super18tungstenshot.com

Super-18 Tungsten Super Shot "TSS"

Super-18 Tungsten Super Shot key to superior performance is the shot density. This enables one to greatly increase the performance of a typical big bore shotgun, or to go down in bore size or payload without giving up performance - or both.
www.super18tungstenshot.com www.super18tungstenshot.com

You should be able to contact Hawglips at the above web site.
 
I just loaded my first shell. 3" Fiocchi, MG42 wads, 1.5oz, original buffer, Longshot and a roll crimp.

Wish me luck, im a little nervous but this is from the BPI coyote manual and it matches what I saw a youtuber loading last night, I went with his smaller charger weight for starts, BPI suggests 4gr more powder.
 
The first shot didnt go great. The MG42 didnt open properly, it split on one side and tore along the bottom. My roll crimp could have sucked. The pattern was no good.

What do pressure signs look like? The roll crimp after firing looks like crap too, the primer and head look fine.

Im loading another, I will pre open the MG42, I saw one youtuber suggest this.
 
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