Predator hunter killed in Lunenburg County Va. Monday night

Terrible. Sorry for all involved. Patience and compassion are probably the best options right now. The rest of this story will come in time.
 
deerichmond50 said:
The shooter was drinking and did not have permission to be hunting there! FACTS
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I wouldn’t share information like this unless it’s actual factual. In which your statement is as far away from the truth as possible. I’m sure you won’t there and you're going off someone’s word that told you. That’s how wrong information gets turned around and twisted. It’s a tragic incident for all families involved.
 
varminter .223 said:
High humidity, rain, rolling terrain where you may only see the top half of someone. Using coyote vocals and or a hunter bobbing their head up and down with tight fov big mag handheld while scanning looking like a bouncing coyote. Things can go wrong. 120 people die each day in vehicle accidents in the US but they are never discussed or thought twice about by those not directly affected because well....it was an accident. Hunting accidents are less frequent because fewer people hunt than drive. I would caution the holier than thou here that they could very well be the next one to get involved with Murphy. Could be as simple as driving your 5k pound bullet home after a little holiday cheer etc. Noone is exempt and its foolish to think you are.
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So you saying you would pull the trigger?? The case is being investigated and the facts will come out. I think anyone should be able to distinguish a 6ft plus,280 lb man and a coyote, bobcat or fox ….. if not maybe it’s time to give up predator hunting.I am not trying to argue with anyone but I will defend my cousin who was killed.
 
I know a person that shot a deer hunter, in Orange, during daylight. It can happen if the circumstances are right. They guy was bent over dressing a deer and the other hunter thought it was a bedded fox. All he could see was the orange back of the hunter.
 
Hard tail said:
I’m taking it you know the subject who pulled the trigger and must be a friend of yours!!! Well the deceased was my cousin and friend who I will defend . Enough said!!!
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I dont know anyone involved, or any of the details just like everyone else commenting on this thread. My post stated shit can go wrong and people need to get the facts and not assume before they come to conclusions. Never defended anyone and never accused anyone of anything. I understand your upset but everything I posted makes sense and is accurate.
 
why said:
People make choices some good some bad. Driving after drinking = bad choice. Pulling the trigger at an unknown target = bad choice.
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You know when your drinking..... but Im guessing in the hunters mind the target was not "unknown" or they would'nt have shot. Unsettling feeling that this can happen for sure. If you ID it as a coyote then you did ID it but incorrectly. Prayers for all involved.
 
The thought of the person yelling out or moving after the shot, correctly identifying the target is horrifying. I dont want to sound like i am defending the shooter(s), but my God what a terrible feeling that must have been. Talk about having your stomach in your boots.

I dont see how it could happen, but there was obviously a way because it did. Hard for me to believe two serious predator hunters with thousands of dollars worth of gear would murder someone on purpose, or be so incredibly wreckless to just be shooting at everything. So in my mind it was clearly an avoidable accident that must have presented itself in a very convincing way.

My heart and prayers to everyone involved.
 
varminter .223 said:
High humidity, rain, rolling terrain where you may only see the top half of someone. Using coyote vocals and or a hunter bobbing their head up and down with tight fov big mag handheld while scanning looking like a bouncing coyote. Things can go wrong. 120 people die each day in vehicle accidents in the US but they are never discussed or thought twice about by those not directly affected because well....it was an accident. Hunting accidents are less frequent because fewer people hunt than drive. I would caution the holier than thou here that they could very well be the next one to get involved with Murphy. Could be as simple as driving your 5k pound bullet home after a little holiday cheer etc. Noone is exempt and its foolish to think you are.
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So true accidents happen! This is a reminder to hunters to be responsible and not shoot anything till you know for you are shooting at!! Because once done you have destroyed not only the victim life but yours and a whole lot of others by being careless.
 
My condolences to hard tail and his family. I have been telling my hunting partners this was bound to happen with the proliferation of thermal and the popularity of night hunting. It can’t be stated enough. Identify your target 110% or don’t shoot.
 
My condolences to all involved also. I'm sure the shooter(s) now view this event as the biggest mistake of their entire life.

Here's a couple reminders. They may or may not apply to what happened, but good reminders for us all none-the-less.

I thermal hunt, quite a bit. I often remind myself when going out: "I'd rather get skunked than risk shooting something I shouldn't". I've been on a couple stands where I haven't seen anything for a while. I expect maybe a coyote will come from a certain area, and then I catch an obstructed view of a rabbit/deer/cow/horse that shows up in the area I expect to see a coyote. It's easy to get excited and think "shoot quick before it gets away". But we must always remember to be 100% certain of the target before shooting. I've let a few coyotes walk because I wasn't 100% confident on their ID.

I was night hunting about a year ago on a small 1 acre property, that was surrounded by some bigger fields prime for coyotes. There were a few houses nearby (~400 yds). After playing a couple coyote vocals, a person stepped out on a back porch on one of the houses and started scanning the fields with a spotlight. I looked away from the light so my eyes wouldn't reflect back. I got nervous that this "unknown person" might mistake me for a coyote if they saw my eyes and heard the coyote vocals. I got spooked and packed up my stuff and called it a night. I was bummed to give up an opportunity to get a coyote at a promising looking spot, but most importantly I don't want my life cut short.
 
coyote_thumper said:
There were a few houses nearby (~400 yds). After playing a couple coyote vocals, a person stepped out on a back porch on one of the houses and started scanning the fields with a spotlight. I looked away from the light so my eyes wouldn't reflect back.
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😄 Human eyes don't reflect back from light. Unless you're a vampire.
 
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This is horrible, my condolences to the family.

What can we discuss about hunters safety? Obviously trigger control and knowing what you are shooting and beyond is HUGE! Every hunter and shooter needs to be responsible each of their bullets. But I am talking individual safety. IR beacons, armor vests or maybe just a reflective head band. What can hunters do to try to keep themselves safe? This happened something around 10 years ago also, a hunter was shot while coyote hunting. I am curious in both hunting accidents if an armor vest would have saved them???

I am in MN and I can not hunt with NV or thermal, I dont know how a coyote could ever be confused with a human but I havent hunted with thermals.

If alcohol was involved, those people need help. Alcohol is horrible, absolutely disgusting, it ruins countless lives each yeah. If you drink, DO NOT be anywhere near your firearms, I was shot because of a drunk retard who jammed a 3.5" 12ga into a 3" chamber and just set the gun down without telling anyone, leading to someone else who didnt know the gun was loaded shooting me. If you drink, get help. Even just weekend drinking, get help, its horrible poison that is ruining you and those around you.
 
Rock Knocker, sorry that you got shot, and hope you’ve had a complete recovery. But you might want to dial back your anti alcohol attitude. I agree guns and alcohol are a no go. Drinking responsibly in moderation is not an issue.
And by the way, the guy that picked up the shotgun and shot you is at fault for not checking to see if it was loaded and then apparently pointing it at you.
 
Rock Knocker said:
This is horrible, my condolences to the family.

What can we discuss about hunters safety? Obviously trigger control and knowing what you are shooting and beyond is HUGE! Every hunter and shooter needs to be responsible each of their bullets. But I am talking individual safety. IR beacons, armor vests or maybe just a reflective head band. What can hunters do to try to keep themselves safe? This happened something around 10 years ago also, a hunter was shot while coyote hunting. I am curious in both hunting accidents if an armor vest would have saved them???

I am in MN and I can not hunt with NV or thermal, I dont know how a coyote could ever be confused with a human but I havent hunted with thermals.

If alcohol was involved, those people need help. Alcohol is horrible, absolutely disgusting, it ruins countless lives each yeah. If you drink, DO NOT be anywhere near your firearms, I was shot because of a drunk retard who jammed a 3.5" 12ga into a 3" chamber and just set the gun down without telling anyone, leading to someone else who didnt know the gun was loaded shooting me. If you drink, get help. Even just weekend drinking, get help, its horrible poison that is ruining you and those around you.
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You got shot because someone pulled the trigger while the gun was pointed towards you.

The drunk guy loading is as much at fault as the guy who brought the gun, the guy who bought the gun, the guy who sold the gun, the company who made the gun, etc.
 


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