NYS Coyote Hunters

Oh yeah....forgot about my gun expenditures for the year..........oh well, it was worth a whine.....hehehe.

Mostly it was all the handloading supplies....cranked out a bunch of ammo this summer, fer sure.
Only one new gun for the summer, but several new accessories.

LOL-Perri........somtimes I forget about my old posts....hahahaha
The real question is...."how much can you pull from the family funds to support your gun habit before you feel guilty?"
Picture the devil on one shoulder, an angel on the other......


Adio's,
Bob
 
Bob,

You're not taking from the family funds, no no ,you're actually investing in substenance gathering implements. Furthermore, not only are these tools used for harvesting food and comfort (rugs etc.) items but they're also used for mental health therapy sessions...... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Heck, you may even be able to write them off on your taxes.

Dang, that sounds so good I may try it out on my girlfriend! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Perri
 
..........of course.....how can you argue with that logic...........HAHAHAHA

I know what my wife's gonna tell me if I try and spew that crap......but what the hell, it's worth a shot....they think that men are stupid enough to try stuff like that, but this is so good, I think it'll mentally paralyze them........

Good one Perri...

Bob
 
There is a great scripture reference I like to cite....but can't remember at the moment (of course) that goes something like " ...and a great blanket was lowered ...on the blanket were all types of animals...and the Lord said Rise, kill and eat." I have tried time and again to convince my wife that all my hunting supplies and trips to the field are ministry opportunities. She isn't buying it though. lol

I made three stands the other night. I got busted on the way in at stand number one....that got the blood moving for sure. The second two stands had me nearly run over by a grey, and watching a red watch me.

Does anybody have any insight to the logic that Coyote season opens two weeks before fox?

Good to see everybody getting out.

WNYS
 
Does anybody have any insight to the logic that Coyote season opens two weeks before fox?

I asked the DEC the same thing. The response?...

"No one expressed any interest in changing the seasons".

I polled members at my website and the results were inconclusive (which dumbfounded me)

To me, the coyote & fox seasons should be concurrent. However, I've been accused of making sound and proper sense before!!!
 
It drives me nuts....two years in a row I manage to call foxes on my first outing. I can;t shoot them...but then again, I can't really expect to continue the hunt and successfully call yotes.......can I?

Perhaps a delegation of PM folks converging on their local regional offices would prompt a change for next year.

I too am (infrequently) accused of making logical thought processes, and expressing the same....but most of the time....nobody notices.

WNYS
 
BHW & WNY,

Laughingly, I got a kick out of your posts by thinking of the experience we've had with the foxes over the last two seasons.
We had tough luck with the coyotes, weather, and several other "Murphy's Law" mishaps, and knowing that fox season ends Feb. 28th, and coyote season goes for another month, as soon as March 1st rolled around, with fox season closing the day before, they all came out to taunt us when we started calling for coyotes.

After seeing very few foxes most of the season, the day after fox season ended, while calling for coyotes, I had three foxes out dancing, mousing and running around in front of me for an hour.
This occured two years in a row, causing me to believe we were cursed (or the foxes had calendars in their dens, and were much smarter than we perceived).

Coyotes never pull this stupid sh*t, and were probably in the woodline laughing their a$$es off.

Ya' gotta laugh......

Bob
 
Handgunr,

I'm determined to find some time to get out with you and chase some dogs this year. There seems to be a pretty good group from our area. I'm thinking about the BATM contest this year....of course, I'm going to have to try and find some yotes before then...lol.

I also had a nice buck standing beside my barn when I got home the yesterday morning....come opener for bow, I'll see spikes and does....same phenomenon as your foxes?

WNYS
 
Guys,

Here's a rarity for me... A coyote shot in the daylight! It was shot on Friday Oct 6 at 6:00 PM. The sun was shining brightly and this female (30 lbs) stuck out like a sore thumb as it came to the call. She sat at 210 yards and stared into the sun. I figured I'd shoot and the .223 hit it's mark /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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bhw - Congrats on a fine looking coyote. Nice shooting also. Good job /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
Morning all. I Made it out last night and what a night it turned out to be!!!! I left the house around nine and picked up my calling partner. We didn't get to our first stand until eleven or so. Hit a series of calls, and had a yote turn up at fifty yards or so. I spent too much time trying to figure out if he was in front of the horse pasture and he scooted. I was bummed for not just picking up the shotgun, but we stuck around awhile anyway....ya never know.

We picked up all the goodies a half an hour later, and walked he couple hundered yards back to the truck. We'd unloaded all the guns and were packing it in to move on when a pack of yotes lights up accross the road....then a second pack lights up not two hundred yards from where we had just been. We start shoving shells and hustling back up the hill.

We make it back to the area we want to be in just as the dogs start shuttign down...I howl...no response...then a long challenge howl. out pops a set of eyes at about 150. my partner hits him with the spot and I touch off a round with the rifle that puts him into the snarling, spitting, death spin....I like that in a dog. I know there are many others in the area, so I start Kiyi-ing like a fool...and a second dog shows up forty yards from where the first one went down. He recieved the same treatment, with the same results.

MY FIRST DOUBLE WOOOOOOHOOOOOO!!!!

I'll throw a couple of pics on here from work on Wednesday They aren't the best, but show two large males (bigger than my forty pound zebco scale will measure) one is almost as red as a fox, and the other is a very dak, but more traditional color pattern.

What a great way to start the season off. Five stands, Four yotes sighted. Two killed. and no foxes last night to irritate me.
 
Stalker......

Yeah, that sounds like a plan.

Do to the infrequency of the coyote "take" around this area, I never have participated in any hunting contests. We're not that successful, or able to connect, on a regular basis to even entertain the thought of entering a contest with any reasonable chance at scoring. Not that we "never would", but it hasn't been a consideration really.
Sometimes, even the fox can give you a headache trying to call them in, let alone coyotes.

I'm sure that location has a lot to do with it, and our area, being very rural, gives the coyotes lots of room to call their own. Their individual territories are much larger, and in turn, they might not cross another's turf to get to our location.
Even though you try and get as close as possible, calling from a long distance, even with scouting, happens a lot. You can hear them one day, in one location, and go back there the next to call, and hear, or get nothing.
Locating decent coyote "packs" is the key, and based on hunting or food pressures, they will move.

Our success has been spotty in the past few years, and although I know our calling abilities may not be perfect, in relation to the tapes, video's and recordings I've seen and heard, we've been doing it "as good", or better in some cases, than most of it out there.

Not that we consciously strived to be as good or better than those professional coyote hunters on video's (being even close to "as good" would've been a major achievement), we had to "by necessity" just to pull those "hard sell" types out of the woods. In other words, we started from scratch (like most) with generic calls (good ol'e rabbit in distress, etc.) and expanded from there with what worked.
Speaking of that call, I don't even use them anymore...not the store bought one's anyway. The baby "wah-wah" stuff never really worked for me.
I'd love to see some of the big successful western coyote hunters try their skills up here. I'd bet they'd be humbled. We (northeastern hunters) have to develop a whole different style (I believe), and the guys that are successful up here, I think, would pull in large quantities if they were out west, without a doubt.

Not blowing my horn, but due to the "hot & cold" reactions we've had in the past few years, we've expanded the types of calls and styles to a larger variety than most use.
I use everything from worn out turkey calls, fawn bleats, and coon squallers, to pre-recorded e-callers. I'll buy new calls sometimes and after pulling them out of the package and not liking the sound, pull them apart and start changing, or trimming the reeds, etc.

I realized sometime ago, after watching and listening to video's and tapes, and then applying the same calls & sounds to attract fox & coyotes, that it might've been a good place to start, but it takes field practice and experimenting to see "what really works".
You find that a lot of those "calling company tapes" are really out there to "naturally" sell their wares. I know video's need sponsor's, but the pure hunting video's, with nothing to sell, are the one's I feel, are the best instructional video's.

Oh, I'm ranting.................


BHW.........ON THE BOARDS.......SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice job....nice shot, and very nice yote'. Most of our hunting is in the dawn & dusk times. We make a few nights out of it too, when time permits (or the full moon is up).

Again....good goin'

Take care,
Bob
 
Stalker..........

Just read your post (you posted before me).....

NICE..........!

Early season is usually the kicker !

Even though the pelts aren't prime quite yet, it's still the best, or most productive time to nail them.
I haven't been going out much during early season due to bow hunting & stuff, but it has been on my mind lately. I keep my eye open when in my stand to nail one with a bow though.
Early or not, coyote with a bow would be a nice challenge. I got a coy-dog mix with a bow several years ago at 21yds. A quick "yip" and a short run and it was down.

Once deer season starts though, a conversion to rimfire is law, so I'll have to "fine tune" my .17HMR.

Again.....nice goin'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bob
 
Handgunr,

The best part. The farmer called me this morning to get a count on how many I managed to get, as he had heard me shoot....tonight his wife called the house to thank me for coming out, and invite me back as soon as I could find time......the siren went off in the town down the road this afternoon, and she had stereo-yote from the hills around her house.

I'm going to make sure the 22 WMR is dialed in....and I'll keep a few rounds of 00 buck around as well. I'm also thinking that I have a .221 fireball barrel on my contender...I could carry that during open deer season...couldn't I?

WNYS
 
Stalker,

If your .221 Fireball is the 14" handgun variety, then you're legal and good to go during the whole season. If it's in the carbine length, no.
By law, in the southern tier, any centerfire "rifle" is prohibited during the whole length of deer season. That's both "bow & gun" seasons. Test counties, like Allegheny (and others), are (or were last year) exempt, as DEC is testing the use of rifle in these chosen counties during deer season. I don't know about Steuben though.

Sucks, but that's DEC for you.

Any .22 Mag, or .17HMR is legal. And of course, any .22LR, or .17 Mach2, but I don't know many that would entertain the thought of using those on coyotes. Maybe fox at close range, but not me personally.
Also, since you mentioned "00 Buck", that's illegal to carry during deer season as well. At least during gun anyway. I'd have to check on bow season. They allow certain shot sizes for the bird/squirrel hunters, but buckshot is a no-no....you'd have to check your book 'cause things change from year to year, and I haven't got mine handy.

If I decide that I need more energy, and want to hunt fox, or coyotes during deer season, I drag out one of my handguns. If you're referring to your .221 Fireball Contender in the 14" version, we're on the same page of music there.
I've got several Encore's and Contenders, a Savage Striker, and a "few" revolvers that I use to hunt with (thus the handle).
Handgun hunting solves the problem of the "rimfire only" law, and you can carry and shoot deer, coyotes & fox, etc., at anytime of the season. You can also carry them loaded in the vehicle and on your person, legally.
I've mainly hunted with handguns of various styles since the law was inacted back in the very early 80's. I quit using the slug gun entirely (yeah, and after the better part of 20yrs. trying, I just came up with the most personally accurate slug load ever...damnit).

Initially, the law was limited to .35 caliber and over, and 4" barrel or longer.
Back about 8 to 10 yrs. ago, they relaxed the caliber and barrel length restraints, allowing any caliber or barrel length, and greatly expanding the choices. My Striker, in 7mm08, with a bi-pod, and using good handloads, delivers rifle like accuracy at similar ranges, so I really don't feel undergunned, ever.
But, that being said, I do practice with my handguns a lot, and I think to be successful with them you really gotta put the time in. I really believe that overall, it has made me a sharper and more restrained hunter.

When deer season ends, that's usually when we kick into high gear hunting coyotes and fox with centerfire rifles though.
It naturally gives you more range, or at least a more stable shooting platform.

Enough babble.....

Take care,
Bob
 
BHW,
Congrats on your first of the year!
WNW,
and you too on your double.....AWESOME!

I tried Sunday evening with a buddy on another farm where I had shot one a few years back. Got a pack howling just before dark across the road and couldn't get on them in time before the sun left. No light with me again and having a long ride home & work waiting, we eased out of there. If I had all night, one may have taken a dirt nap.
Also may have found another promising spot to call...

Bob,
the DEC has fox season opening later and closing earlier to balance your frustrations as a predator hunter more evenly throughout the season...very thoughtful of them, huh?
 
"the DEC has fox season opening later and closing earlier to balance your frustrations as a predator hunter more evenly throughout the season...very thoughtful of them, huh?"

A classic line! Thanks for the laugh /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Andrew
bhw
 
knock em',

Figures.......glad DEC is looking out for our interests eh ?

I like how they (the state) make money off of the state's natural resources, when most of the animals are really fed off of the farmer's labors.

DEC does contribute to certain game in limited ways through approved projects (mainly fish & certain bird releases), but for the most part, most game, and their populations, are self sustaining.

Yes, state lands are available and maintained for hunters to use, but their maintenance is minimal. Again, many farmers contract through the state to farm state land property, and some rent their lands to the state for hunting (99 year leases). On top of that, most of the lands that they (the state) own, were dontated by farmers and folks like us.

Throughout my Deputy Sheriff days, I worked with, and had many friends that worked for the DEC. I was pretty well informed on what they did for us hunters, and believe me, it wasn't much. They'd like you to believe that they're doing handsprings to support our hobby, but it's more like doing as little as possible (spending), to gain as much as possible.

Consider that the "reported" deer populations throughout the state always seem over inflated in comparison to what we all see when were out there hunting. Every year I see less and less, and the deer take is lower every year as well.
Being retired, I hunt a lot, and I see seemingly less and less every year. Consider the guy that only gets out on weekends ?????
The population numbers always "seemed" skewed in the state's favor, possibly to generate more license sales.

It's all about the almighty dollar of course, but I think that considerations, or credit should be extended to the real support system for animals, the hunters and farmers. Without them, the state wouldn't have diddley......

Ranting....my bad....soapbox removed..........lol

Take care & good hunting,
Bob
 
Bob,

My .221 is of the 10 inch variety. Here are a few pics of the other nights yotes. I appologize for the poor image quality...they're from the phone and it was two in the morning after all.....
Da Yotes
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them and I
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Them and calling partner
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Another view
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I can't wait to get after them again.....this pesky work habit keeps getting in the way. I'll recount the whole story in the photo forum later this evening.

WNYS
 
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