22 ARC

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22-250 53 varmaggedon 3789fps 10mph wind
 
BleedsBlue said:
24" white oak 1-12 twist h4895 powder
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I see, it seems like you’re running quite a hot rod wildcat load there having to use custom made brass, out of a very long barrel for an AR, and also using a bullet that is really quite exceptional in its class in terms of BC. Not quite a fair comparison to an off the shelf 22 ARC factory load. However, if you ever decide to run a shorter barrel like maybe because you choose to go suppressed(idk if you run a can or not), the 22 ARC may become a lot more attractive to you, with factory brass available and all. But I will say if you’re running hot rod handloads like that, you could probably do some magic with a 22 ARC and those new 62 ELD-VT’s, and those longer shots out to maybe 500+ may become a bit more realistic with a bullet designed for the task.
 
FlySlanger said:
I see, it seems like you’re running quite a hot rod wildcat load there having to use custom made brass, out of a very long barrel for an AR, and also using a bullet that is really quite exceptional in its class in terms of BC. Not quite a fair comparison to an off the shelf 22 ARC factory load. However, if you ever decide to run a shorter barrel like maybe because you choose to go suppressed(idk if you run a can or not), the 22 ARC may become a lot more attractive to you, with factory brass available and all. But I will say if you’re running hot rod handloads like that, you could probably do some magic with a 22 ARC and those new 62 ELD-VT’s, and those longer shots out to maybe 500+ may become a bit more realistic with a bullet designed for the task.
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It is a fair comparison (24" barrel vs 24" barrel) the 22arch has a higher in BC class bullet. This simply comes down to case capacity and thermal energy, the results with a shorter barrel will be similar (approximately 25fps loss for each inch of barrel reduction).

The only advantage of the 22 🌈 arch is brass availability and it's a shame and loss of potential because more case capacity could have been achieved by stretching the cartridge length rather than re-purposing the Grendel brass which has already been done, when developing a new cartridge it should outperform the cartridge that it is phasing out otherwise do not discontinue the production of the hagar brass that fills a niche such as coyote hunting.

Most likely I will never be interested in the 22 🌈 arch. 500+yard shots are unethical and impractical in a coyote hunting situation. I have made 500+yard shots with my current configuration but I know it was foolish.. merely a hail Mary attempt that was accidentally successful. Also I prefer hunting coyotes over shooting paper.

If the manufacturer of the new cartridge claims that it outperforms the 22-250 for coyote hunting then it should actually do such in an apples to apples comparison... not focus on impractical situations at 500+yd shots. That's not reality for those whom are using night vision/thermal that do not have time or equipment to calculate for the additional bullet drop on shots below 500yards which are 99% of all shots taken on coyotes at night.

The ballistics calculation proves that your ARC drops 3.9" more than the 22-250 with an inferior bullet in 300yards and the much higher BC only outperforms in windage by 0.3" (in a fast paced situation this is huge)

Here's the 300yard comparison
22 ARC 16" barrel .395 BC= 10.5" drop
22 ARC 24" barrel .395 BC= 8.9" drop
22 nosgar 24" barrel. 303 BC = 7.1" drop
22-250 22" barrel 303 BC = 6.6" drop
62gn ELD-VT at 3600fps = 6.9" drop

the extra powder capacity behind the 62gn ELD-VT be jaw dropping to those whom drank the ARC coolaid for coyote hunting. There's not replacement for displacement other than extreme pressures. (7mm backcountry). Put the 62 ELD-VT in front of the 22-250 or any cartridge with more case capacity and what I'm saying will make sense.. you'll be disappointed in the ARC.

Stretch the grendel .441" case to mag length with traditional 40-60gn coyote bullets (2.26" coal, brass length 1.775") and I'll be the first in line to purchase with tears of joy in my eye.

This is why I think the ARC is a lost opportunity, case capacity or pressure is the only way a new cartridge can outperform another cartridge in an apples to apples comparison.... period

I do not mean to bash on your gun, I think that information has been misconstrued to hype this new cartridge for coyote hunting and I didn't think it was wise to say it outperforms the 22-250. It's probably great at killing a piece of paper.

simply and figuratively speed kills....
 
I'm in the light fast bullet group, always have been. I've seen to many times what a light fast bullet does when it impacts a critter. usually isn't pretty. BC is fine if your a long range shooter. Most people get hung up on BC because they watch to many videos and the "Big Boys" tell them they need a heavy bullet for long range. Most of them don't even shoot long range. I don't think BC really matters until you get past 3-4-500yds. Gun manufacturers are pushing the heavy for caliber bullets so they built fast twist barrels. IMO that's just stupid. As rifle chairman at my club I see a lot of "Tacti-cool" rifles. We have a steel target that's bigger that a steering wheel in a truck at 300yds. I'd venture that 6 out of 10 can't hit it on their first shot. If they do hit it they think they are snipers. But they are tacti-cool. LOL
 
William Suter said:
I'm in the light fast bullet group, always have been. I've seen to many times what a light fast bullet does when it impacts a critter. usually isn't pretty. BC is fine if your a long range shooter. Most people get hung up on BC because they watch to many videos and the "Big Boys" tell them they need a heavy bullet for long range. Most of them don't even shoot long range. I don't think BC really matters until you get past 3-4-500yds. Gun manufacturers are pushing the heavy for caliber bullets so they built fast twist barrels. IMO that's just stupid. As rifle chairman at my club I see a lot of "Tacti-cool" rifles. We have a steel target that's bigger that a steering wheel in a truck at 300yds. I'd venture that 6 out of 10 can't hit it on their first shot. If they do hit it they think they are snipers. But they are tacti-cool. LOL
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After hunting with my 223 AR this past Saturday night, I’m inclined to get something alittle flatter shooting….debating between building a 204R or 22ARC upper…I already own a bolt 204 so have plenty of ammo. I’m leaning towards the speed vs high BC…will rarely be shooting past 300yds.
 
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