Thoughts on 53g vmax.

Maybe I’m wrong here, but that 17 WSM compared to that 22-250 is a classic example of the velocity. You shoot a 52gr A-Max or a BTHP Match out of a 223 AI into jell, then do it with a 22-243 and the expansion difference is not in the same conversation, but neither was the penetration.
It sure surprised me when that tiny bullet passed completely through the coyote. A lot of it could have been shot placement too. I shot it through the ribs essentially and she was mangy so I didn't skin that coyote to see exactly what the damage looked like. For all I know I could have slipped that bullet between ribs on both sides and only hit lungs and soft fleshy things that make a coyote live. I wish I could say exactly what happened but that coyote ended up not getting skinned out.

Velocity definitely does come into play when it comes to the performance of all sorts of bullets. So that part of it I don't doubt. That's why so many people can shoot one bullet and have somewhat different opinions on it. What works great out of a 24" barrel may not do as well in a 16 1/2" or whatever the case may be. This website is definitely useful to help shorten the learning curve. But I think the best way to learn is from firsthand experience. That's why I say take my advice for what it's worth. I'm not going to discourage anyone from learning and unfortunately the best learning experiences in life come through trial and error. In my opinion we all need to walk that path.

The best advice I can give guys is buy ammo and shoot coyotes with it. Learn what works best for you and run with it regardless of what's on the box. Heck, there are hollowpoint bullets that are geared towards shooting targets but can, will and have killed coyotes and do a dang good job of it. Those boat tailed match hollowpoints will kill coyotes dead as a hammer. But nothing on the box they come in says so. Sometimes you just gotta buy things and try it.
 
It sure surprised me when that tiny bullet passed completely through the coyote. A lot of it could have been shot placement too. I shot it through the ribs essentially and she was mangy so I didn't skin that coyote to see exactly what the damage looked like. For all I know I could have slipped that bullet between ribs on both sides and only hit lungs and soft fleshy things that make a coyote live. I wish I could say exactly what happened but that coyote ended up not getting skinned out.

Velocity definitely does come into play when it comes to the performance of all sorts of bullets. So that part of it I don't doubt. That's why so many people can shoot one bullet and have somewhat different opinions on it. What works great out of a 24" barrel may not do as well in a 16 1/2" or whatever the case may be. This website is definitely useful to help shorten the learning curve. But I think the best way to learn is from firsthand experience. That's why I say take my advice for what it's worth. I'm not going to discourage anyone from learning and unfortunately the best learning experiences in life come through trial and error. In my opinion we all need to walk that path.

The best advice I can give guys is buy ammo and shoot coyotes with it. Learn what works best for you and run with it regardless of what's on the box. Heck, there are hollowpoint bullets that are geared towards shooting targets but can, will and have killed coyotes and do a dang good job of it. Those boat tailed match hollowpoints will kill coyotes dead as a hammer. But nothing on the box they come in says so. Sometimes you just gotta buy things and try it.
Bingo. Agreed for sure. That A-Max and BTHPM both I have no exit, tiny entrance. Unless I don’t do my part. You’re going to blow a hole in a few regardless of bullet selection, it’s part of the game
 
I came and read through this thread after Skinney mentioned it last night on a IG live. Lots of information here, and I'm the first to admit I'm not a 22 caliber guy for the most part, but I have shot them plenty over the years. I stick to the 6 and 6.5 cartridges pretty hard. What I have learned is that every barrel length, velocity, and twist rate is going to cause any specific bullet to react differently. So no one can say that XYZ bullet is absolutely the worst on coyotes. A V-Max of any weight for example is going to be completely different for the guys shooting it out of a 22 Creed at 4000 fps than it is for the guy shooting it out of a short barrel AR at 3000 or less. It is going to be different out of a 7.5 twist than it is a 12 twist. So what I'm getting at is no one is wrong. What kills like lightning for one guy with a particular set up may not work as well for a different person with a completely different set up. One guy may shoot the majority of his coyotes at 50 yards and someone else may average 250 yards. Too many variables. Just figure out what works best for your setup and typical situation and go with it.
This is still the best explanation I have seen posted by Cal Taylor on April 8, 2023. What I gather is that we can say it works for our particular setup and style of hunting, but may not work for yours.
 
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