Knock on doors or Trespass????

I was also curious about the river. Thats a federal waterway that curves and splits in all directions, people can travel and duck hunt all they want. Its frozen now and people 4x4 or snowmobile it, I was thinking of trying to hike the river with a shotgun late at night and call from the shorelines.? The river travels some desolate spots.
 
The county beside me doesnt have a good plat book, all it shows it property IDs. My county had a decent plat map that at least shows names. One of the 80 acre fields I wanted to look into near me is listed as 4 different 20acre sections, 4 different owners, its one field and the only people ive seen out there are the guys i work with farming it.... Thats the annoying parts. Across the street from me is a totally secluded, over 600 acres of forest owned by an estate liquidation LLC. Theres coyotets out there, i hear them but my neighbors said they dont let people hunt it and Ive never seen anyone to talk so I dont go there.
 
TS 1Shot said:
It doesn't matter who farms it you need to talk to the owner, the farmer should have the landowner contacted information.
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Yeah but when the farmer is a company, owned by a board of members and the landowner is a LLC possibly out of state..... I know it sucks. Im just looking for coyotes though, not snorting crack with hookers at 1am like i could be.
 
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alf said:
I just checked, the 20% off discount code is still valid for PM members for an onX membership.

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Didn't know that Alf, and I have been paying full $ for many years.
 
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Appreciate the heads up Alf !
 
In Mn, any ag use land doesn't have to be posted, permission is required. If you are trespassing without permission and in possession of thermal/night vision an additional 1000$ fine is possible. Game and dogs can be retrieved from unposted ag land. Where I grew up in Mn, zero tolerance for hounds/shooting without permission.
 
I've always gotten permission really easily. Let me tell you how I would work with what you already have:

So you have permission now on small properties. Go there and hunt them, make friends with the landowners. When you start calling and they are lighting up on the neighbor's huge property, you go over at a convenient time, ( I usually do it Saturday morning about 8am or 9am if I going in truly blind), and I will explain that their neighbor (Jim?) has been having coyote trouble, (whatever their concern was, worried about their pets, livestock, seeing too many near the house, or waking them up at night howling, etc). Then I will explain that when you try to call them, they always answer back from this person's property, and ask if they mind if you worked onto their property to try to get some of them killed. Now they almost feel like they are obligated to help Jim with his coyote trouble. What kind of asshole gives sanctuary to the coyotes that are terrorizing their neighbor? They always say yes. Then the next weekend I'll keep expanding. "Good morning sir, I'm xxx, and I am trying to take care of a coyote problem Jim is having down the road. I'm hunting on Jim and Steve's places currently, but when I'm calling them, I keep hearing groups of them respond on your property. Well, if both Jim and Steve trust you, and you'd be an asshole neighbor to provide sanctuary to the coyotes that are torturing poor Jim, so of course they will let you. I have whole areas, every farm on the road for miles. After you've met several of them, they will stop you in the road and ask you to kill their coyotes. My license plate is "Yotes", and I always make it known to everyone that if they see my truck, they will notice the tag, and know it's me. I'll sometimes come out to my truck from making a stand and I'll have a note on my truck to call someone who wants me to thin out their property. Eventually it can become a status thing. "Oh, Jonus doesn't come over and take care of your coyotes? He keeps them killed out for Jim and Steve and I.".
 
Im going to get out and ask more. The problem is that many of the farmers that live out here have the smaller places with livestock and mostly smaller hay fields. Bigger operations are buying the bigger land. Ive got some permission from people ive talked with more for small farms, but its not good spots, I would go out there with a shotgun and probably winded from 50 yards away in under 5 minutes. I dont even want to be hunting 200 or even 300 yards away from peoples homes at night. I dont even want to knock on doors and ask to hunt their 20 or 30 acre field just outside their home, I dont want to be there.

So when you look at large areas of bean and corn fields where I can be 400 yards away from homes, on the plat map its 50% LLC and trust land, a lot of that land the farmers who work it dont even know who owns it. The farmer who farms my neighbors place said two old ladies owned that land, but its not, Ive met the guy now. Im going to have to knock on doors, asking around, even working for the local farm places doesnt help much.
 
It seems to me that you are to concerned about being too close to houses, as long as you are beyond the state required safety zone you are legally allowed to hunt, at least in PA. you are with permission of course.
 
Rock Knocker said:
Im going to get out and ask more. The problem is that many of the farmers that live out here have the smaller places with livestock and mostly smaller hay fields. Bigger operations are buying the bigger land. Ive got some permission from people ive talked with more for small farms, but its not good spots, I would go out there with a shotgun and probably winded from 50 yards away in under 5 minutes. I dont even want to be hunting 200 or even 300 yards away from peoples homes at night. I dont even want to knock on doors and ask to hunt their 20 or 30 acre field just outside their home, I dont want to be there.

So when you look at large areas of bean and corn fields where I can be 400 yards away from homes, on the plat map its 50% LLC and trust land, a lot of that land the farmers who work it dont even know who owns it. The farmer who farms my neighbors place said two old ladies owned that land, but its not, Ive met the guy now. Im going to have to knock on doors, asking around, even working for the local farm places doesnt help much.
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Not trying to be an ass here, but you're attitude about it is pretty negative. Knocking on doors is sales. Smile every time someone tells you no, because you're one step closer to a yes. You have to have a short memory and a great smile.
 
I hunt large farms and in hobby farm areas, some I'm less than 100 yards from house/livestock. Never had any complaints about noise or disturbance. But than when much younger friends and I had coon hounds. Often they would tree near someone's house. 10-11pm I would go knock so they could see who was outside. All were surprised we were on the place. Quit waking people up if I already had permission. If I didn't have permission (did on the ajoining property) I went before 10 pm if lights on I knocked asked if I could hunt. Almost every time I had a new spot. But than I have talked my way into hunting permission in Mn,SD,WY,MT, KS,ND. For most landowners/farmers/ranchers if their neighbor "knows" you, you are more likely to a yes than a no go. Big game,pheasant,waterfowl are the hard "knocks" almost everyone has family or a lease. Coyotes, trapping, varmints much easier, especially out of season for the big 3.
 
Rock Knocker said:
I have checked the county maps, online maps have the property boundary marked but no owner info that I have found, just the property ID. The county soil service I worked at this spring had a huge good plat map, at least half the farm fields are owned by trusts, corp. etc... owner info is a P.O. Box an hour away... I was born '86 so im sure its changed a lot, I just keep moving further and farther from the cities.
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so a lot of these places are the bigger family farms, and they tie the property up in a LLC/Trust for business reasons. the PO boxes are just to help keep the mail going to one spot thats not someone's house. or to have the important docs end up somewhere close to where the family business manager/accountant lives.

the good part is, if you find a group of those fields in an area - thats when you do door knock the homes next to them, or look a little further out on the map for a homestead with th same last name as a good place to start door-knocking.

the reason i say to doorknock the neighboring properties is even though its not their ground, they probably know who owns/works the ground. and its likely someone within a few miles of there. as i'm sure you know, living rural - its not hard to figure out where the tractors are coming/going from on the local bigger operations in your area. or god forbid they went to school with them, or their kid goes to school with the farmers kids, etc.

seriously when you think about it - its not vary practical for even bigger operations to be too spread out. equipment takes too long to transport between fields making working through their properties difficult. so they tend to stay in a relatively close area so they can work thru their properties in a rotation that affords the least amount of travel from fields A-> B -> C -> D etc - they dont want to have a 30 minute or hour travel time to get out to a property right? They have to be *relatively* close to be efficient.

i mean... 5000 acres is just under 8 square miles of ground. at least around here in michigan thats a pretty sizeable ag operation. if you were to look at a 5 mile x 5 mile block (25 square miles), that 5k acres is just under 1/3 of that total acreage. god forbid you open up to being within 5 miles in any direction of your home base (10miles x 10miles , 100 square miles), that same 5k acres becomes rougly only 13% of the total acreage then.

HTH
 
Yes the PO box thing is a pain, had one pop up in Iowa. But now I'm in and I only run into the absentee owners during field work, they have my phone and I will go check the property(s) if they call. I make sure landowners know I can be trusted. Largest single permission, 129,000 acres, great people wish I would have met them 20 years sooner.
 
just gained permission on one property that might actually be 3 properties on the same road under the same name according to onx. also got a "NO" on another property. win some, lose some...

guy also offered deer and varmints too :)
 
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