Different results - heres why

From a Moderator's standpoint, this has been a good thread with information exchanging and sharing. There has been some tip toeing around the TOS agreement, but no one blatantly stomping on it yet. Let's keep it within the boundries as you have been(barely). There are some strong personalities here with deep drafted opinions. Hang in there guys. No harm, no foul.

Pruson
 
I respect what guys believe here, and that many have issues with my post. Maybe your ability is far above mine, and thats fine with me. I wouldn't even qualify as Randy Andersons gun bearer
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I am getting older now and don't hunt with the passion of a young man last couple years.

BUT, I can tell you this.

To kill 10-15 coyotes a year with a few fox and Bobcats sprinkled in is within everyones grasp here. With some help, and a different look on things ..... maybe I have the different look on things that may HELP a fella somewhere shoot a few more a year.

I am NO expert, but seems some guys can kill one a year some Have called and killed many more.

I am somewhere in between, just trying to tell you how I get in between.

I have been preaching these SIMPLE tactics for years, and yes even though I'm no "Pro", I've recieved many thank yous from guys that my info has helped.

Hope some of the meaningful tips helped I wrote before all the bashing started (I knew it would) at some point, will benefit someone with an open mind.

Like I said, some folks think if they can't do it it can't be done ........ I'm no expert, just don't find it quite as hard as some. Thats all.
 
Originally Posted By: jasonpredhunterI'm always a little apprehensive of these guys that talk a big game and tell everybody HOW it's done.

As am I, but not this time. This particular thread was spawned from another thread in the East about baiting. To me Sleddog's post are very informative and the tactics are sound, you dont need to be a guide to figure that out. I'm not just talking about this particular thread, but others as well. Sometimes when you try and help others, it gives the impression that the poster is a know it all. This keeps a lot of people from posting questions and opinions, thus silencing a lot of voices, especially when you get attacked for it. What does it take to be an expert anyway, a few dvd's and a book i suppose.
 
I kind of skimmed through this tread so I can’t address all that is said and may recover over some things.

I hunt the Southeast and have not hunted the northeast any farther than VA. In the areas I have hunted it is mostly small farms and public lands and they are all scattered out through several counties. I do not have a lot of places maybe around 10 to 15 places to hunt here where I live now. This is why I scout so much before hunting an area.

If I rush in and cold call areas my chances of being setup wrong and educating coyotes increase. Plus there are many callers here hunting the same coyotes. My only edge is finding out where and when the coyotes or going to be on that piece of property. Then setting up on them in a way that will create the least stress, while they are coming to the sound.

I show and tell others how I hunt my areas but, also encourage them to listen to other successful callers and adapt all this info to their area and create their own style of hunting.

I was fortunate to have started hunting coyotes back when they first came to my area in numbers the early 80’s. I was very young and I would shoot the first coyote at the first possible chance. Was very fortunate the coyote numbers exploded in my area then and was able to kill a lot of coyotes.

Then the coyote population decreased and my land availability went south when the new hunting lease craze started. I soon realized for me to continue to be successful I needed to do more than randomly call. No internet or other coyote hunters to talk to then so I was in essence all alone in my quest.

I spent many hours listening to coyotes down the old dirt roads and following them along their route. Listening to the farmers telling me where they heard them last night. Then going into the woods finding out why they were there and what they were doing.Tracks,scat and fresh kill sites can tell us allot.

The next step after calling and killing several by doing this was to see how they react to different setups and sounds. This is the fun part! Calling coyotes without a gun to see how they react to sounds and setups was a whole new level of my learning. Without a gun I was more relaxed and more observant to what was unfolding before me.I quickly wanted to know how close I could get one to me.

Here are a few things I learned quickly by doing this.


The quick comers that are fast paced and run straight to you are the ones you don’t worry about. These coyotes are coming anyway. They are usually young and dumb, starving or they are aggressive to something going on in there area. These coyotes make up only 10 to25% of coyotes in a given area at best.

Then you have the ones that expose themselves in open areas but hang up around 150 to 250 yards. If they are 2 or more coyotes then they may have been somewhat educated in the past. If there is only 1 coyote more than likely it is a transient coyote not wanting to fight with the home team and or is skittish being new to the area and not established yet.. These make up anywhere to a low of 20% to a high of 40% it depends on how much pressure they have had with calling and how many transients you have.


Then you have the largest group 50 to 80% these are a mixture of all the above. They come in strong until they reach the bounds of their safety zone. Then proceed to find a checkup point them angle down wind. Most callers never see these coyotes because of setup. These are challenging and create the best personal gratification for me.

The next time a coyote is holding out there look and see what is between you and him creating his uneasiness? What terrain or vegetation can you setup in to make him feel at ease all the way to the sound? Create a setup that gives him a natural checkup point?


I know my percentages don’t add up to 100% because the coyotes vary from one grouping to another. They may vary more or less in your area also.


Don’t let numbers get in the way of you setups and calling. I know several great coyote hunters that kill very few coyotes. Time to hunt, coyote numbers and land availability has alot to do with numbers. You have all seen coyote hunters that have high numbers of coyotes, access to tons of farm land and calling uncalled coyotes. These hunters are constantly getting new land to keep their numbers up. They often tell me and others the old places don’t have as many coyotes. In reality they don’t have easy coyotes there anymore. They usually just put the caller out on the edge of an open area and call. Sadly these are mostly new hunters and want to tell everyone how great they are and give advice.


Listen to the guys with years of doing it successfully before there were the numbers we have today.Sleddog ,Ackey,GC come to mind on this board. Even though they hunt differently they kill coyotes to the degree they are comfortable when they go a field.

Main thing don’t do exactly as I do but adapt all the info you can get to your area and let the coyotes in your area be the deciding factor in how you setup.
 
Thanks CCP, very well said. You named some excellent coyote hunters there at the end of your post. Your advice to apply knowledge gained to your own habit/terrain is good advice, it will all differ a little bit. I don't see Randy Watson ever running around hanging tree stands, but he is great at how he hunts, as is sleddog at what he does.

Thanks
Pruson
 
Big reasons on why treestands are good..obviously a better view.a better view gives you more time to prepare for a shot.sometimes you can evan give a quick equipment check.check scope ,maybe tuck your call in or evan give a few more seconds on finding a more comfortable brace.you may evan have to turn behind you for the shot.

while this is happening someone on the ground is still scanning for the coyote to appear.to make matters worse when a coyote does appear when approaching a caller on ground level he's usually all eyes.He's in hunting mode expecting to make a visual, making slower more dilliberate movements.

hunting from a tree you get to see something different.you get to see them in travelling mode.where they're more concerned about closing the distance.whats easier to see a coyote trotting in , covering ground? or one scanning the terrain for movement?

here's a situation that happened to me last year..Last season I did a setup in rolling hardwood terrain.from the ground I would have had about 60 yds visibility.But using my treestand I almost doubled my visibility.by seeing over slight rises in the terrain to my front.about ten minutes into the set I clearly spotted an approaching coyote 80yds out.he was moving from my right to my left.the key thing here is that the yote was on the other side of the rise previously mentioned.totally out of sight if I elected to hunt from the ground.

I could have taken the shot with confidents if I stopped it. but had good wind.and decided to hold off for a 100% kill.he circled to my left and slowly came straight at me over the rise stopping at about 60yds out.here he would have presented a frontal shot just at the edge of my sight .Or quite likely the yote would have spotted me and left.

while this was happening 2 more dogs were coming in from the left at about 100yds.the first dog ended up moving back to the right using the rise in terrain where I decided to take him him at 70yds.

if I ground hunted this situation I would have been offered a respectable frontal shot at one coyote twenty minutes into the set.IF i spotted it before he spotted me.

From the tree I had multiple shot offerings spotted the yote ten minutes into the call instead of twenty and also spotted 2 more coyotes that I never would have seen if I was on ground level.

Main things I've found out with treestands If your going to use one only bring it if you know the exact tree and setup.if your going to hunt new terrain leave it at home.but remember good climbing tree's for next time.and obviously Pick a light quiet easy set up stand. comfort isn't important.
 
Preface to bashers ......I am no expert.

Quote: From the tree I had multiple shot offerings spotted the yote ten minutes into the call instead of twenty and also spotted 2 more coyotes that I never would have seen if I was on ground level.

Forget it kid, if Randy or Byron don't use a treestand, it can't help and is not needed ANYWHERE is the world
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I know folks can't hang stands in many states by law. I understand this is NOT coyote hunting to many folks as well, and I respect that! Cool with me.

But to those with an open mind, and want to easily tip the odds in their favor .............

Forget the new AR, Go to Wally World and by up as many 30 dollar chain on stands as you can afford.

Hang in areas you have called coyotes in. Use your heads in your entrance. Hunt.

Bang, just doubled your last years kill.

Even better than that quick follow up with your new AR
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Again, I am NO expert !!!!
 
Originally Posted By: PrusonThanks CCP, very well said. You named some excellent coyote hunters there at the end of your post. Your advice to apply knowledge gained to your own habit/terrain is good advice, it will all differ a little bit. I don't see Randy Watson ever running around hanging tree stands, but he is great at how he hunts, as is sleddog at what he does.

Thanks
Pruson

sleddog, you were one of those he named. I've always thought of you as one of the better hunter/callers here in the East, by far. My comment about Randy was in reference to "did you ever try to hang a stand in a mesquite(sp) bush, that's about as close to a tree as they got out there. Apply these tips and tactics to your environment, if they fit, otherwise improvise-adapt and overcome. Your comment about Randy and Byron not using them, made me think you took offense to my remarks, there was none intended. Your method works for you and their's works for them, it is required in those two different habitats, yours and theirs. You're above any bashing you might percieve, let it go.
 
Quote: Your comment about Randy and Byron not using them, made me think you took offense to my remarks, there was none intended.

I took no offense to your remark at all Sonny.

This post was intended to make new folks aware of some things that may help them suceed and reduce their obvious frustration.

Treestands are very unorthodox tool (and rejected by most), I understand that..... but to me second in importance only to starting your year early and cleanin' up all the "freebies".

If I didn't see the value the treestand had to offer and share it with folks in the Northeast, do you think I would go through all this BS?
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hanging lock ons as sleddogg suggest is the way to go. but a quiet climber will work. especially on puplic land and areas where you can't use lock-ons.

Not taking sides in debates .seems things are getting abrassive on this topic .Just throwing out some useful info
 
I am hoping to gain credibility with members who don't know me, or when I was active before their time. Please understand I have no axe to grind with anyone, and respect everyones point of veiw. To doubt someone is quite natual I suppose. At least one member that doubts me is very knowledgable, and maybe we all just need to get out hunting!

Having to do this to please certain members is bothersome, but I have 2 ex wives and a thick skin!

This is my 2004 -2005 folder mostly with a few straglers .... . No way I took pics of them all..... maybe 1/2 to 2/3 of them.

OK guys, here you go. These are the ones I could find right here on the board. I only bought a camera when one of the board called me a liar about 50 pound coyotes.

Keep looking I am posting more. So hard to sort out all these old pics ......
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No don't get pics of all of them , not hardly. Only when I remember ..... and then its only to share a story .... or maybe so you don't call me a liar. Again.

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Hope that pacifies the bashers that called me a fake. Believe me, I've had WAYYYYY better years in my younger days.

Not as hard as you all make it out to be.

No fun bein called a liar, and I was just tryin' to help you out.

Wonder if the BIG MOUTHS will step up and apologize .... probably not.

Or if they post their 25 Northeast kills in a year, I'll call that good enough!!

Good hunting!! Sleddogg
 
Sleddog you didnt have to prove anything to me...I can tell by the way a man talks that he knows what hes doing...As far as pictures goes heck I just got a digital camera 2 years ago and dont have near the pics I should have...Thanks for the pics "kid"
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and I bet that crow will taste good to some members on here..... Chad
 
Getting back to our regular scheduled thread...

I would like to hear more on stand approaches and wind consideration.

I also would like to hear about night hunting as compared to day hunting...what would you guys do different, if anything?


 
I remember sleddog from way back before he dropped off the board years ago. I always tried to talk him out of that little Classic 221 Fireball. He taught me things back then and is still very capable of teaching me, especially. His credibility maybe in question only to those who don't know him. He lives and hunts in the Berkshire Mountains of western Mass. When you think of Mass and all the Democrats up there, a hunter does not come to mind, but instead animal rights folks with a lot of strict, stupid laws. He has survived behind the lines so to speak.

His only fault is he likes to share his knowledge and that is what this place is about, we should be thankful for him. There will always be doubters and "Nay sayers" until they know him.

As I said before Brian, you are above this. Let it go.
 
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