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Wasn't/isn't Dead Coyote T shot? It worked well but got out of my price range. But now I want to play with TSS and that stuff is costly too. Gotta pay to play.
 
DesertRam said:
Wasn't/isn't Dead Coyote T shot? It worked well but got out of my price range. But now I want to play with TSS and that stuff is costly too. Gotta pay to play.
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Honestly if I could find it with any regularity I would be using it. In all my travels I have only ever found a single box in Canada. They worked awesome compared to the hornadys but lack of availability takes away the usefulness.
 
derbyacresbob said:
Changing chokes won't make bad coyote loads into good coyote loads.

It's to bad none of the ammo manufacturers ever made lead coyote loads with BBB or T shot. There is a huge gap between lead BB shot and lead number 4 buck shot. Lead number 4 buck shot just has a very low pellet count "41pellets" in 1-7/8 of shot.

Look below at how much more penetration distance you can get by going one or two sizes bigger than lead BB shot.

From KPY Shotshell Ballistics.
1300 fps lead BB shot gets 3.70" of gel penetration at 44.3 yards and has about 77 pellets in 1-1/2 oz.
1300 fps lead BBB shot gets 3.70" of gel penetration at 53.7 yards and has about 65 pellets in 1-1/2 oz.
1300 fps lead T shot gets 3.70" of gel penetration at 63.4 yards and has about 56 pellets in 1-1/2 oz.

At 55 yards and less the 1-1/2 oz T shot lead load would out perform the 1-7/8 oz load of lead number 4 buck because it has 15 more pellets per shell.

Just because some turkey hunters kill some coyotes with their TSS turkey loads doesn't make a turkey load a good coyote load. A good coyote load will break down or kill coyotes that are running straight away from you. For hunting coyotes TSS #2, #3 and #4 shot all make great coyote loads.

Look below at how much farther away TSS #4 shot gets 3.70" of gel penetration compared to TSS #7 shot.

1300 fps TSS #7 shot gets 3.70" of gel penetration at 30.1 yards.
1300 fps TSS #4 shot gets 3.70" of gel penetration at 75.8 yards.

Use the little TSS pellets for turkeys and the bigger TSS pellets for killing and stopping coyotes.
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Thanks so much for this! It sounds like I need to buy that Tshot mould and talk nicely to my neighbor and see if he will let me use his press once or twice a year!
 
Not sure if y’all are hunting for fun or getting paid, but a box of 5 shells at $50-60 pays for itself with the first coyote I kill. So the other 4 shells are pure profit.
I generally buy the “best” I can afford and will get the job done with one shot. Everything after that first kill is all profit whether it’s TSS or most recently, Nosler bullets. If I want to kill something, I want the best shell/bullet for the job.
Now if you’re doing it for fun I completely understand the price point. I love turkey hunting and use TSS and it’s expensive, lol. I generally buy 2-3 boxes a quarter just because I never want to run out. But I also use that “profit” money to pay for my turkey addiction.
 
Spurchaser said:
Not sure if y’all are hunting for fun or getting paid, but a box of 5 shells at $50-60 pays for itself with the first coyote I kill. So the other 4 shells are pure profit.
I generally buy the “best” I can afford and will get the job done with one shot. Everything after that first kill is all profit whether it’s TSS or most recently, Nosler bullets. If I want to kill something, I want the best shell/bullet for the job.
Now if you’re doing it for fun I completely understand the price point. I love turkey hunting and use TSS and it’s expensive, lol. I generally buy 2-3 boxes a quarter just because I never want to run out. But I also use that “profit” money to pay for my turkey addiction.
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Sadly I'm getting pretty much nothing for my coyotes. The best I can do is use photos to fuel my social media accounts to draw people to my call making business. The real pretty ones I'm getting barely $10 and even then my buyer hates shotgun coyotes 😂
 
It definitely will be ! I’m shooting copper coated 1 1/2 oz 3” #3 tss and they will flat lay them down. I misjudged a big male a week or so ago and stoned him at 74 yards. He didn’t even flinch or kick. At 50-60 yards it’s a chip shot. 👍
 
Yotarunner said:
Sadly I'm getting pretty much nothing for my coyotes. The best I can do is use photos to fuel my social media accounts to draw people to my call making business. The real pretty ones I'm getting barely $10 and even then my buyer hates shotgun coyotes 😂
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Send me a link to your call making site please.
 
Spurchaser said:
Not sure if y’all are hunting for fun or getting paid, but a box of 5 shells at $50-60 pays for itself with the first coyote I kill. So the other 4 shells are pure profit.
I generally buy the “best” I can afford and will get the job done with one shot. Everything after that first kill is all profit whether it’s TSS or most recently, Nosler bullets. If I want to kill something, I want the best shell/bullet for the job.
Now if you’re doing it for fun I completely understand the price point. I love turkey hunting and use TSS and it’s expensive, lol. I generally buy 2-3 boxes a quarter just because I never want to run out. But I also use that “profit” money to pay for my turkey addiction.
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Spur, I feel that you are very much in the minority when it comes to getting paid to kill coyotes. For the vast majority of us, it's all about just fueling the passion. I'm just a little bit jealous man! Where I'm from, just obtaining access to hunt these things is a monstrous hurdle! Consider yourself extremely fortunate!
 
Spurchaser said:
Not sure if y’all are hunting for fun or getting paid, but a box of 5 shells at $50-60 pays for itself with the first coyote I kill. So the other 4 shells are pure profit.
I generally buy the “best” I can afford and will get the job done with one shot. Everything after that first kill is all profit whether it’s TSS or most recently, Nosler bullets. If I want to kill something, I want the best shell/bullet for the job.
Now if you’re doing it for fun I completely understand the price point. I love turkey hunting and use TSS and it’s expensive, lol. I generally buy 2-3 boxes a quarter just because I never want to run out. But I also use that “profit” money to pay for my turkey addiction.
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Who is paying you $50/60 for a coyote?
 
Spurchaser said:
Not sure if y’all are hunting for fun or getting paid, but a box of 5 shells at $50-60 pays for itself with the first coyote I kill. So the other 4 shells are pure profit.
I generally buy the “best” I can afford and will get the job done with one shot. Everything after that first kill is all profit whether it’s TSS or most recently, Nosler bullets. If I want to kill something, I want the best shell/bullet for the job.
Now if you’re doing it for fun I completely understand the price point. I love turkey hunting and use TSS and it’s expensive, lol. I generally buy 2-3 boxes a quarter just because I never want to run out. But I also use that “profit” money to pay for my turkey addiction.
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$50 for a coyote? We get $1-3 currently, but only one out of 5 is even worth the $1
 
It started out being “voluntold” I was gonna trap a property. It had been 35+ years since I’d trapped as a kid, but I bought my own stuff and started doing it. I thought I was just trapping for some “perks” I had on the property, then he said by the way I’m paying you for time. So I started catching critters and word of mouth got around and I started getting phone calls from different landowners asking me what I charge?
I’m not a professional and tell folks that from the get go. I just get lucky every now and then and catch critters. I really had no clue what to charge so my son told me “professionals” get $2500-3500 for 2 weeks of trapping. I knew I couldn’t devote that much time to charge that seeing how I have a full time job so I just said pay me for what I catch. I don’t catch, you don’t pay.
I get $25 for every small critter (coons, possums, dillos, skunks, small ferals) and $50 for every big critter including hogs if they wanted them taken care of. Been doing that for about 8-9yrs now. Then a couple Christmas’s ago the wife bought me a thermal for Christmas and the thermal hunting addiction started. Landowners don’t care how I get rid of predators, just that I get rid of them.
I employ both trapping and thermal hunting in my arsenal. Both pay the same, lol. I still work a regular job and mornings before work and evenings after are filled with my “Extermination” business. Believe it or not I have to turn folks down every year for trapping because there’s just so much time in a day. I’m slowly getting permission to thermal hunt places with an “immediate” need for those need’em gone no matter what situations. Rich landowners pay to have deer, turkeys, and quail on their land. What’s crazy is one landowner doesn’t hunt anything but deer, but loves seeing turkeys and quail on his property so he’s all about predator removal no matter how I do it. I had one guy whose property had never been trapped tell me to bankrupt him when I called after a week to report what I’d already caught and did he want me to stay because he was already at $1500, lol. I’ve got a good group of landowners that know when they call I’ll take care of their “problems”. Heck, I’ve even been called in to catch trespassers, lol.
Yes, I KNOW I’m extremely lucky to be able to be paid what most of us would do for fun and it all started because a “professional” trapper decided the property I started on (2500ac) wasn’t big enough for him anymore.
 
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