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NYS Coyote Hunters
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Handgunr
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Cripes....they probably got more in one boat than I got in my house (maybe vehicles & guns to boot............)
Fishing on the ocean would be nice....never done it. I've fished live bait in the lakes and streams, but never been to salt water.
I took up fly fishing a few years ago, and I love it. There's a technique to it, of course, but I enjoy the learning curve.
Take care,
Bob
Fishing on the ocean would be nice....never done it. I've fished live bait in the lakes and streams, but never been to salt water.
I took up fly fishing a few years ago, and I love it. There's a technique to it, of course, but I enjoy the learning curve.
Take care,
Bob
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Hey Bob,
Got an open stop on a charter next Wednesday if you to give it a try???
Fred,
Keep um coming. I know this is a predator site but we'll just say you're honing your photographic techniques for the upcoming season. he he he Say, you think a FoxPro could be hooked up and used like a MakoMagnet?? ( with some waterproofing of course) Maybe use the baby whale in distress sound.
Catch um up.
Perri
Got an open stop on a charter next Wednesday if you to give it a try???
Fred,
Keep um coming. I know this is a predator site but we'll just say you're honing your photographic techniques for the upcoming season. he he he Say, you think a FoxPro could be hooked up and used like a MakoMagnet?? ( with some waterproofing of course) Maybe use the baby whale in distress sound.
Catch um up.
Perri
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Perri,
Love nothin' more.....but after shelling out (lots of) cash for new toys (guns & loading supplies), my money is a "pale green" for awhile.
One of these days I'll give it a try....maybe sharks...just cause they've been nibbling on people lately...
Thanks for the thought though.....!
Another ($) reason is I gotta get back into a nice SUV to haul all my huntin' sh*t around. I leased a 2006 Chevy 4X4 crewcab in Feb. of this year and I need to trim some fat, so I'm gonna bail on it and get an older SUV for my huntin'.
Didn't pay attention and found they stuck me with a 4 yr term instead of a 3. Sucks.
It's a great truck, but it doesn't quite fit the bill for me, considering all the huntin' we do.
I could pack our (Dennis') guns, E-callers, and other gear inside the vehicle, instead of having to leave part of it outside (didn't all fit well in the back seat of the crewcab without boogering something up).
I'm looking at 03/04 Durango's and TrailBlazers. I'm a Chevy guy mainly, but I did have a 99' Durango that was perfect. Yeah, the gas mileage wasn't all that great, but man, that thing would go through some sh*t. For a V8 though, the Durango does pretty well. Lots, and lots of room too. You can pile a few fox & coyotes in them "fur sure".....lol
Take care,
Bob
Love nothin' more.....but after shelling out (lots of) cash for new toys (guns & loading supplies), my money is a "pale green" for awhile.
One of these days I'll give it a try....maybe sharks...just cause they've been nibbling on people lately...
Thanks for the thought though.....!
Another ($) reason is I gotta get back into a nice SUV to haul all my huntin' sh*t around. I leased a 2006 Chevy 4X4 crewcab in Feb. of this year and I need to trim some fat, so I'm gonna bail on it and get an older SUV for my huntin'.
Didn't pay attention and found they stuck me with a 4 yr term instead of a 3. Sucks.
It's a great truck, but it doesn't quite fit the bill for me, considering all the huntin' we do.
I could pack our (Dennis') guns, E-callers, and other gear inside the vehicle, instead of having to leave part of it outside (didn't all fit well in the back seat of the crewcab without boogering something up).
I'm looking at 03/04 Durango's and TrailBlazers. I'm a Chevy guy mainly, but I did have a 99' Durango that was perfect. Yeah, the gas mileage wasn't all that great, but man, that thing would go through some sh*t. For a V8 though, the Durango does pretty well. Lots, and lots of room too. You can pile a few fox & coyotes in them "fur sure".....lol
Take care,
Bob
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Yeah, I know the feeling. Due to MY bad judgement /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif had to give up a few things that I liked but weren't quite necessities in life.(kept the guns though) Now that I can see daylight it's time to look for a full sized equipment hauler. I like the Yukon, as the last one I had was rock solid and had amble space. The only thing that scares me is the gas milage. Some places around here up around $3.15 a gallon. I won't lie, filling a thirty gallon tank hurts. But there's compromises in everything.
Maybe I'll get lucky, gas will go up to $4.50 a gallon. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Everyone will be giving those gas guzzlers away. I'll by a moped for getting back and forth to work and buy a used Excursion for hunting. Short trips only. LOL Filling one of those things probably requires a second mortgage.
Perri
Maybe I'll get lucky, gas will go up to $4.50 a gallon. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Everyone will be giving those gas guzzlers away. I'll by a moped for getting back and forth to work and buy a used Excursion for hunting. Short trips only. LOL Filling one of those things probably requires a second mortgage.
Perri
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Knock Em',
A "gang hunt" sounds like a great idea.....
A check with the DEC might help with a good location.
Through farmers reports, we found a great place to hit this season. After a cursory scouting, we spotted a large reddish-orange male walking a hedgerow, as well as plenty of other sign.....nice!.
The only problem is that the local farmers aren't waiting. They're popping them onsight. I told them that we'd be up during legal hunting season and clean them out for them. Maybe this will curb their anxious need to exterminate them early.....don't know.
Nice shark by the way.......that's what I'm talking about....I'd like to go fishing with my 12ga. though......hehehe.
Take care,
Bob
A "gang hunt" sounds like a great idea.....
A check with the DEC might help with a good location.
Through farmers reports, we found a great place to hit this season. After a cursory scouting, we spotted a large reddish-orange male walking a hedgerow, as well as plenty of other sign.....nice!.
The only problem is that the local farmers aren't waiting. They're popping them onsight. I told them that we'd be up during legal hunting season and clean them out for them. Maybe this will curb their anxious need to exterminate them early.....don't know.
Nice shark by the way.......that's what I'm talking about....I'd like to go fishing with my 12ga. though......hehehe.
Take care,
Bob
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Sounds like a plan. I'd be willing to do a little leg work to see what's available in the Catskill park area. There's probably some county lands in Sullivan, Delaware, Green and Ulster counties. These areas surround the park and after deer season farmers often very open to predator hunting. It's a real shame that NYC doesn't permit anything other than deer hunting on reservoir property.
Anyway let's think about it.
Knock-em......and the winner is???????? Curious as to how you did?
In the meantime, I'll be mining for oil in the back 40 so we have enough fuel for that fishing trip! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
Anyway let's think about it.
Knock-em......and the winner is???????? Curious as to how you did?
In the meantime, I'll be mining for oil in the back 40 so we have enough fuel for that fishing trip! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
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Fred,
What's the boatname?
I'll keep watching online. Should be cool.
So guys any ideas to get things started? Never done anything like this before. We have to be congnizant of the "official" PM events and make sure that we're not violating any rules. What's our goal/s? Just one weekend a bunch of guys get together hunt a certain region and hang out at night? May be fun and lead to something like forming a group to go to a real PM hunt.
Bob,
Do you hunt the WNY hunt? It's seems like a fun gig. I see that the next one will be for "callers". I can understand some of the issues with dog/callers. I think our terrain here isn't very condusive to running hounds.
Perri
What's the boatname?
I'll keep watching online. Should be cool.
So guys any ideas to get things started? Never done anything like this before. We have to be congnizant of the "official" PM events and make sure that we're not violating any rules. What's our goal/s? Just one weekend a bunch of guys get together hunt a certain region and hang out at night? May be fun and lead to something like forming a group to go to a real PM hunt.
Bob,
Do you hunt the WNY hunt? It's seems like a fun gig. I see that the next one will be for "callers". I can understand some of the issues with dog/callers. I think our terrain here isn't very condusive to running hounds.
Perri
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Perri,
Nope, I've never hunted the WNY hunt. Looks kinda neat.
It's usually just Dennis and I when it comes to coyotes or fox. Being from a very rural area, we have canvassed our local turf pretty well, and know, for the most part, where, and at what time of the season, the coyotes will turn up. I guess it's just an educated guess backed up by scouting sign.
Out of our comfort zone, or local environment, we lose that knowledge that scouting provides. There's been times that we hunted unknown areas, and it took a few trips there to really get the handle on population and habits. Once we get things figured pretty well, and if it's relatively nearby, we incorporate it into our hunting "to do" list. We have several "new areas", scoped out for this season. One of which is "VERY" promising.
Not to brag, but not too many guys locally call them. They usually do the dog hunting, or nothing.
I don't think that many hunters accept the long hours of sitting and seeing nothing, efforts involved in calling, all the setups and scouting involved without getting discouraged easily.
As dedicated as we are to the sport, there are times where we get frustrated as well, but it's usually very short lived.
It is kind of similar to my last job as a Deputy Sheriff, "long hours of sitting, with sparse episodes of chaos".....lol.
Most years, after many, many hours of driving, scouting, setups, freezing cold, etc., we usually end up with one or two dogs each. Sometimes only one for the season. Like deer, breeding season is usually the best time to nail a nice male.
I've always read where the early season is the best time, but in my opinion, what's happening is that you're shooting the young dumbies....lol.
The older, more educated dogs are taken less frequently, and once mating season comes into view, they let their guard down quite a bit.
I've mentioned a CNY hunt somewhere to Dennis yesterday, while out hunting chucks. He seemed up for the event, and mentioned that it'd be fun. I have family all over the CNY area, and finding a spot shouldn't be too terribly hard.
I've also deer hunted the Speculator/Jessup River area back in the mid 90's, and coyote sign was apparent even back then. A preliminary scouting trip (unless someone knows the area already) might be a good idea to avoid wasting time & effort on a dead zone.
Take care,
Bob
Nope, I've never hunted the WNY hunt. Looks kinda neat.
It's usually just Dennis and I when it comes to coyotes or fox. Being from a very rural area, we have canvassed our local turf pretty well, and know, for the most part, where, and at what time of the season, the coyotes will turn up. I guess it's just an educated guess backed up by scouting sign.
Out of our comfort zone, or local environment, we lose that knowledge that scouting provides. There's been times that we hunted unknown areas, and it took a few trips there to really get the handle on population and habits. Once we get things figured pretty well, and if it's relatively nearby, we incorporate it into our hunting "to do" list. We have several "new areas", scoped out for this season. One of which is "VERY" promising.
Not to brag, but not too many guys locally call them. They usually do the dog hunting, or nothing.
I don't think that many hunters accept the long hours of sitting and seeing nothing, efforts involved in calling, all the setups and scouting involved without getting discouraged easily.
As dedicated as we are to the sport, there are times where we get frustrated as well, but it's usually very short lived.
It is kind of similar to my last job as a Deputy Sheriff, "long hours of sitting, with sparse episodes of chaos".....lol.
Most years, after many, many hours of driving, scouting, setups, freezing cold, etc., we usually end up with one or two dogs each. Sometimes only one for the season. Like deer, breeding season is usually the best time to nail a nice male.
I've always read where the early season is the best time, but in my opinion, what's happening is that you're shooting the young dumbies....lol.
The older, more educated dogs are taken less frequently, and once mating season comes into view, they let their guard down quite a bit.
I've mentioned a CNY hunt somewhere to Dennis yesterday, while out hunting chucks. He seemed up for the event, and mentioned that it'd be fun. I have family all over the CNY area, and finding a spot shouldn't be too terribly hard.
I've also deer hunted the Speculator/Jessup River area back in the mid 90's, and coyote sign was apparent even back then. A preliminary scouting trip (unless someone knows the area already) might be a good idea to avoid wasting time & effort on a dead zone.
Take care,
Bob
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Hey NY guys..... If anyone lives near Columbia county, specifically the Hillsdale/Copake area, you would be wise to get trottin' out there and do some callin'.
I live about 45 minutes East of the NY line in Ma., and I have hunted in NY for both deer and preds for over 30 years. Deer population way down, coyote population way up. Bobcats are also on the rise.
I suspect the fawn killin' is seriously impacting the deer herd.
You will find the easiest coyote hunting BEFORE deer season, and a close second very late in the season 'bout January. This isn't just me supposin', as I've been hunting a long time. Plus after the snow flies, you have to deal with all that snowmobile traffic. Not good.
You fellas up there are deer hunters, so forget the Randy Anderson videos and get IN the woods (hopefully in your treestands) and call 'em. You will do best there. Guaranteed.
Callin' Western style will severely limit your Eastern call-ins. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Way more coyotes out there than folks think, you fellas hear 'em howlin' all the time right? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
If there are any folks that are SERIOUS about coyotes ( no fair weather guys ) in that area of NY that need a bit of help getting started, shoot me a PM, and I'll try to help!
I live about 45 minutes East of the NY line in Ma., and I have hunted in NY for both deer and preds for over 30 years. Deer population way down, coyote population way up. Bobcats are also on the rise.
I suspect the fawn killin' is seriously impacting the deer herd.
You will find the easiest coyote hunting BEFORE deer season, and a close second very late in the season 'bout January. This isn't just me supposin', as I've been hunting a long time. Plus after the snow flies, you have to deal with all that snowmobile traffic. Not good.
You fellas up there are deer hunters, so forget the Randy Anderson videos and get IN the woods (hopefully in your treestands) and call 'em. You will do best there. Guaranteed.
Callin' Western style will severely limit your Eastern call-ins. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Way more coyotes out there than folks think, you fellas hear 'em howlin' all the time right? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
If there are any folks that are SERIOUS about coyotes ( no fair weather guys ) in that area of NY that need a bit of help getting started, shoot me a PM, and I'll try to help!
Hey guys count me in for a Catskill or Adirondack hunt.I know of an area that was purchased by NYS a few years ago and opened-up to the public.It's almost 6,000 acres and sits on the eastern edge of the Catskill Park.I didn't get down there deer hunting last year so I don't really know what the coyote population is like but I'm willing to do some serious scouting and report back.Is anyone interested?I'm suggesting this location because it seems to be more centrally located?
Just a side note here: My brother-in-law (Bob) has been hunting and fishing the Dack's since the late 1950's.I've been hunting,fishing,camping,hikeing and canoeing the Dack's since the mid-1960's.Most of those years we never felt it necessary to carry a piece for protection from bears.I did start carrying a revolver three or four years ago though.Yesterday Bob was cutting firewood on his land in the central Adirondacks.He had the tailgate down sharpening the saw.He looked and down the ridge walks a 300-400 pound bear directly at him.Bob figured the bear was just curious so he went back to what he was doing (seeing a bear in the Dacks is no big deal).Suddenly Bob realizes the bear is only about 40' from him and still coming.Bob ran around the opposite side of the truck and jumped in the cab.The bear came right up to the truck door and scraped its' claws down the door of Bob's new pickup.Bob jumped out the drivers side and started throwing sticks of firewood at the bear which didn't bother the bear at all but pi**ed Bob right off.I mean this is his new pickup.The bear starts walking straight at Bob again so Bob starts the truck and backs down the hill.Bob's new truck has claw marks on the passengers door.Bob says he's gonna start carrying his revolver. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Just a side note here: My brother-in-law (Bob) has been hunting and fishing the Dack's since the late 1950's.I've been hunting,fishing,camping,hikeing and canoeing the Dack's since the mid-1960's.Most of those years we never felt it necessary to carry a piece for protection from bears.I did start carrying a revolver three or four years ago though.Yesterday Bob was cutting firewood on his land in the central Adirondacks.He had the tailgate down sharpening the saw.He looked and down the ridge walks a 300-400 pound bear directly at him.Bob figured the bear was just curious so he went back to what he was doing (seeing a bear in the Dacks is no big deal).Suddenly Bob realizes the bear is only about 40' from him and still coming.Bob ran around the opposite side of the truck and jumped in the cab.The bear came right up to the truck door and scraped its' claws down the door of Bob's new pickup.Bob jumped out the drivers side and started throwing sticks of firewood at the bear which didn't bother the bear at all but pi**ed Bob right off.I mean this is his new pickup.The bear starts walking straight at Bob again so Bob starts the truck and backs down the hill.Bob's new truck has claw marks on the passengers door.Bob says he's gonna start carrying his revolver. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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ADK,
Catskills, or the "Dacks" sound like good areas to cruise for coyotes. More open areas around the outside of the mountainous parts, say agricultural fields and such, usually provide you more of an opportunity of a shot, or even seeing one coming in. It almost seems that the coyotes would frequent these areas more anyway, as they always seem to be right in man's lap, or at least very nearby.
I still hunt heavy woods, but this year, I think I'm hauling along my shotgun, or revolvers to use instead.
I get pi**ed just thinking about parking lot dents, etc., let alone having a bear mark up my new truck....geesh. I remember seeing several bears over the years at given distances, but never like that.
I never hunted deep up into the mtns. much, I think once when I was younger, with my dad.
Mostly Crogan & Beaver River, as well as somewhere around Cranberry Lake (I remember), and Speculator, etc. Getting deep into the mtns. sometimes took a real "special effort" back then. Especially during inclement weather, so I think we tried it one hunt. Never again after that if I recall correctly.
Then dad got "southern tier-itis" due to the higher populations of deer in the south back then, and we started hunting Watkins Glen, Ovid & Redding areas.
MAN.....what a difference in populations......my first hunt was so crazy, I didn't know where to shoot first. They were running all over......happy daze!
Knock Em',
Yep....the lands all around Speculator, and further north are lease lands. I think the one I hunted was leased by Boise-Cascade at the time. Weyerhauser and others were there, if I remember correctly. Hunting heavy woods definitely puts things in the coyotes favor. Maybe areas where there are agricultural properties adjacent to the mtns., like the foothill areas, might be a better choice for a "gang hunt".
I know that around here, if we didn't leave open spaces between us and the coyotes, we probably wouldn't even spot them. They'll try to sneak in skirting edges and such, but eventually, they have to show themselves a little, giving us a chance at a shot.
We've hunted the thicker woods over at Rattlesnake Hill near Dansville, and (unless it's dead quiet) they're on you almost without a sound. Last year when calling, while sitting behind several tight smallish trees, I stopped for several minutes to listen, and as I turned my head, looking between the limbs, there stood a nice yote about 40yds on a ridge behind me. Looked like a large female based on the face. She was looking right at me, but I know she couldn't see, or (as far as I could tell, with the swirling wind) smell me. A few more toots on the call didn't do a thing and she continued on down the ridge like nothing even phased her. She wasn't having any I guess.
She wasn't spooked at all, and if I wasn't at such an awkward postion where I was at, I might've gotten a shot at her as she passed farther on down behind me. Moving at all would've made noise.....everything it seemed, was brittle that day. One reason why it surprised me how she made it to me without making a sound.
Experiences.........
Take care,
Bob
Catskills, or the "Dacks" sound like good areas to cruise for coyotes. More open areas around the outside of the mountainous parts, say agricultural fields and such, usually provide you more of an opportunity of a shot, or even seeing one coming in. It almost seems that the coyotes would frequent these areas more anyway, as they always seem to be right in man's lap, or at least very nearby.
I still hunt heavy woods, but this year, I think I'm hauling along my shotgun, or revolvers to use instead.
I get pi**ed just thinking about parking lot dents, etc., let alone having a bear mark up my new truck....geesh. I remember seeing several bears over the years at given distances, but never like that.
I never hunted deep up into the mtns. much, I think once when I was younger, with my dad.
Mostly Crogan & Beaver River, as well as somewhere around Cranberry Lake (I remember), and Speculator, etc. Getting deep into the mtns. sometimes took a real "special effort" back then. Especially during inclement weather, so I think we tried it one hunt. Never again after that if I recall correctly.
Then dad got "southern tier-itis" due to the higher populations of deer in the south back then, and we started hunting Watkins Glen, Ovid & Redding areas.
MAN.....what a difference in populations......my first hunt was so crazy, I didn't know where to shoot first. They were running all over......happy daze!
Knock Em',
Yep....the lands all around Speculator, and further north are lease lands. I think the one I hunted was leased by Boise-Cascade at the time. Weyerhauser and others were there, if I remember correctly. Hunting heavy woods definitely puts things in the coyotes favor. Maybe areas where there are agricultural properties adjacent to the mtns., like the foothill areas, might be a better choice for a "gang hunt".
I know that around here, if we didn't leave open spaces between us and the coyotes, we probably wouldn't even spot them. They'll try to sneak in skirting edges and such, but eventually, they have to show themselves a little, giving us a chance at a shot.
We've hunted the thicker woods over at Rattlesnake Hill near Dansville, and (unless it's dead quiet) they're on you almost without a sound. Last year when calling, while sitting behind several tight smallish trees, I stopped for several minutes to listen, and as I turned my head, looking between the limbs, there stood a nice yote about 40yds on a ridge behind me. Looked like a large female based on the face. She was looking right at me, but I know she couldn't see, or (as far as I could tell, with the swirling wind) smell me. A few more toots on the call didn't do a thing and she continued on down the ridge like nothing even phased her. She wasn't having any I guess.
She wasn't spooked at all, and if I wasn't at such an awkward postion where I was at, I might've gotten a shot at her as she passed farther on down behind me. Moving at all would've made noise.....everything it seemed, was brittle that day. One reason why it surprised me how she made it to me without making a sound.
Experiences.........
Take care,
Bob
freebm
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Well it sounds like we may just have the beginnings of a little get together.
As for the time of year, I'd tend to agree that maybe an early hunt would be easier and offer more opportunities. But you guys sound like you want to "tough it out" in say January or February. That works too.
Well lets start with deciding what general time might best work for us and the length of our rendevous.
How about a Friday afternoon/evening meet and greet. Hunt Friday night, Saturday AM. Saturday afternoon lunch break, Saturday evening/hunt. Sunday AM hunt, lunch & departure.
As some would be traveling from quite a distance, we need to allow for travel and down time. Don't want anyone going home barely able to stay awake.
Sleddog,
I was raised in Chicopee. Hunted in the Granby, Ludlow, Hadley, North Hampton, etc areas when I was younger. Have a good friend up in Ashfield. He hears coyotes all the time.
Here's a pick from yesterday. Knock-em , the trip was okay. I mean we caught a lot of fish but it wasn't the "style" of fishing I like. At any rate, it beat working.
Leaving Point Judith
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Buddy's first keeper of the day
Perri
As for the time of year, I'd tend to agree that maybe an early hunt would be easier and offer more opportunities. But you guys sound like you want to "tough it out" in say January or February. That works too.
Well lets start with deciding what general time might best work for us and the length of our rendevous.
How about a Friday afternoon/evening meet and greet. Hunt Friday night, Saturday AM. Saturday afternoon lunch break, Saturday evening/hunt. Sunday AM hunt, lunch & departure.
As some would be traveling from quite a distance, we need to allow for travel and down time. Don't want anyone going home barely able to stay awake.
Sleddog,
I was raised in Chicopee. Hunted in the Granby, Ludlow, Hadley, North Hampton, etc areas when I was younger. Have a good friend up in Ashfield. He hears coyotes all the time.
Here's a pick from yesterday. Knock-em , the trip was okay. I mean we caught a lot of fish but it wasn't the "style" of fishing I like. At any rate, it beat working.
Leaving Point Judith
Looking for the quary
Buddy's first keeper of the day
Perri
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Fred,
I've been checking out the site. Pretty neat.
Well good luck and catch um up.
Oh, heard that NYC is going to open their poerperty up here to general hunting not just deer. That's a lot of property with plenty of coyotes!!! And I saw a big dog this AM on the way to work. THings are looking up for a good season.
Perri
I've been checking out the site. Pretty neat.
Well good luck and catch um up.
Oh, heard that NYC is going to open their poerperty up here to general hunting not just deer. That's a lot of property with plenty of coyotes!!! And I saw a big dog this AM on the way to work. THings are looking up for a good season.
Perri
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