Yesterday i patterened some 00 buck federal flite control 8 pellet reduced recoil loads through a cyl barrel on my short barreled mossberg, i could not believe what i was seeing, all 8 pellets in a paper plate @45yds, these are only moving out at 1145fps, but all blew through the plywood backing, where the hornady bb load just stuck in the plywood, so am not to worried about the reduced speed. I have a beretta with adjustable choke's, it would not do this with ic or mod.I wonder if the full power 9 pellet flite control would give me this tight of a pattern out of a none choke gun.A version of the flite control wad is used in the hornady also, but i never even got close to what the federal shoots.