Coydog, wolf/yote, wolf/dog, whatever...

Bowhntr6pt said:
Odds are a recessive gene from previously cross mating with the grey wolf. More probable in my opinion vs. cross mating with a domestic dog

Question... why are you so stuck on the topic?
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I'm "stuck" on the topic. Because it interests me. I have been a canine predator hunter for many decades. Yet, I'm still driven to know as much as possible about coyotes, their behaviors/habits & interactions with other forms of wildlife.
 
hunt0168 said:
Don’t have one. But nor have have you proven otherwise.

Like I said… it’s not an impossibility.
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It's impossible to prove the absence of anything, but really easy to prove the presence of something.

If none of you can even find one single example, you're daydreaming. This discussion has been going on longer than any of us have been alive, but there isn't a single piece of evidence to prove it happens. There's more believable proof that Sasquatch is walking around out there, as ridiculous as that is. If you don't want to do the research yourself as I and seemingly many others here have, then believe whatever you want to, I'll sleep the same amount tonight either way.
 
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Heavy females here in PA are pregnant...that's the only time they will get that heavy.

I "donated " all 6 coyotes shot last weekend to "science". At the weight in, a local college wildlife biology department asks for some coyotes to gather data...from diseases to fetal development. They asked some general questions- county and if they were killed within close proximity of each other. My 6 were a perfect sample. M; M; MFF; F
There study should be done in April after they analyzed and compile all the data . They will send me the data for the coyotes and a link to the study.
When I get that Info, I will pass it along.
I don't know if they check for domestic genes/DNA
 
medic joe said:
I'm "stuck" on the topic. Because it interests me. I have been a canine predator hunter for many decades. Yet, I'm still driven to know as much as possible about coyotes, their behaviors/habits & interactions with other forms of wildlife.
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Being "interested" is one thing, refuting science is another.

In all of time has a coyote ever mated successfully with a domestic dog...? I would say yes. But I would temper that yes with the opinion it's extremely rare... like winning the lottery rare.

I'd say 99% of the people who claim they either saw a coydog or killed a coydog, myself included (see my earlier pics on another thread), that they were mistaken.

You go look at the pics of the four coyotes I killed... if anyone had a case to "claim" they killed a coydog it would be me. But after killing the first one I did some deep research and reading thus I have the opinion(s) I have.

Serious question... how common to you believe interbreeding happens?

ETA- I'm still hunting a portion of the property I killed those coyote on. If I were to be fortunate enough to get a fifth, I now have a guy who can mount it. I'll also find a way to get DNA test done unless it's cost prohibitive. I'd like to know why those coyote in that one area are carrying that color trait.
 
Bowhntr6pt said:
Being "interested" is one thing, refuting science is another.

In all of time has a coyote ever mated successfully with a domestic dog...? I would say yes. But I would temper that yes with the opinion it's extremely rare... like winning the lottery rare.

I'd say 99% of the people who claim they either saw a coydog or killed a coydog, myself included (see my earlier pics on another thread), that they were mistaken.

You go look at the pics of the four coyotes I killed... if anyone had a case to "claim" they killed a coydog it would be me. But after killing the first one I did some deep research and reading thus I have the opinion(s) I have.

Serious question... how common to you believe interbreeding happens?

ETA- I'm still hunting a portion of the property I killed those coyote on. If I were to be fortunate enough to get a fifth, I now have a guy who can mount it. I'll also find a way to get DNA test done unless it's cost prohibitive. I'd like to know why those coyote in that one area are carrying that color trait.
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How common does interbreeding happen? I do not have any DNA evidence to say the odds, pro or con. As for refuting "science". If that science is based upon speculation/theorizing/no peer reviews? I would not call that hard "factual" science. One thing I will agree on is, in the wild, I believe it would be very rare for a domestic dog & coyote to breed. Just because some Biologist(s). Claim(s) something is true or not. IF...all facts are not known in his/her opinion/understanding? Then it is debatable.

As for my coyote pic above with "blue" in its facial fur. The odds of it having domestic dog in it's bloodline. Would be more probable than having wolf in it's heritage. Reason being, I've seen dogs with blue fur.
 
medic joe said:
How common does interbreeding happen? I do not have any DNA evidence to say the odds, pro or con. As for refuting "science". If that science is based upon speculation/theorizing/no peer reviews? I would not call that hard "factual" science. One thing I will agree on is, in the wild, I believe it would be very rare for a domestic dog & coyote to breed. Just because some Biologist(s). Claim(s) something is true or not. IF...all facts are not known in his/her opinion/understanding? Then it is debatable.

As for my coyote pic above with "blue" in its facial fur. The odds of it having domestic dog in it's bloodline. Would be more probable than having wolf in it's heritage. Reason being, I've seen dogs with blue fur.
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The more you speak the clearer it becomes that you have no understanding of genetics at all. You should ask more questions and do more research. Make less declarative statements. An 8th grade understanding of genetics would destroy everything coming out of your mouth. I'm not trying to be hateful or rude here, but the world sees the things we post here, and you simply don't have enough knowledge of this topic or how biologists operate to make anymore statements.
 
Hecouldgoalltheway said:
It's impossible to prove the absence of anything, but really easy to prove the presence of something.

If none of you can even find one single example, you're daydreaming. This discussion has been going on longer than any of us have been alive, but there isn't a single piece of evidence to prove it happens. There's more believable proof that Sasquatch is walking around out there, as ridiculous as that is. If you don't want to do the research yourself as I and seemingly many others here have, then believe whatever you want to, I'll sleep the same amount tonight either way.
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As I've previously stated, I think it would be an extremely rare occurrence. but biologically not impossible. Proof? I have none. By your own admission, you have none either, other than speculation that there is no proof in your research on the subject. Also, I really do not care.

As far as more believable proof of a Sasquatch, I wholeheartedly disagree. All Sasquatch sightings seem to show very consistent, although blurry, appearances. Without DNA testing of those Sasquatch, it would be extremely difficult to know if they have a solid genetic lineage, They may have been watered down with the occasional alcohol influenced predator hunter at the turn of the century? :ROFLMAO:

I'm not here to argue. Legitimately do not care. Time spent arguing these kind of things is pointless. I still have my opinion that it isn't am impossibility. You have your opinion that it just can't be. At the end of the day, we probably both have better things to worry about? Like getting out there and calling in these jokers and putting a well placed bullet into them. Maybe, when we walk out to pick them up, they will have some crazy appearance that will make us raise an eyebrow, and ask ourselves, what in the hell did this thing's ancestors do to cause this?
 
hunt0168 said:
As I've previously stated, I think it would be an extremely rare occurrence. but biologically not impossible. Proof? I have none. By your own admission, you have none either, other than speculation that there is no proof in your research on the subject. Also, I really do not care.

As far as more believable proof of a Sasquatch, I wholeheartedly disagree. All Sasquatch sightings seem to show very consistent, although blurry, appearances. Without DNA testing of those Sasquatch, it would be extremely difficult to know if they have a solid genetic lineage, They may have been watered down with the occasional alcohol influenced predator hunter at the turn of the century? :ROFLMAO:

I'm not here to argue. Legitimately do not care. Time spent arguing these kind of things is pointless. I still have my opinion that it isn't am impossibility. You have your opinion that it just can't be. At the end of the day, we probably both have better things to worry about? Like getting out there and calling in these jokers and putting a well placed bullet into them. Maybe, when we walk out to pick them up, they will have some crazy appearance that will make us raise an eyebrow, and ask ourselves, what in the hell did this thing's ancestors do to cause this?
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I said this in another thread a few days ago:

I wish they were real. I've been killing them since 1991, and I'm driving out to hunt as I'm typing this. Every time I shoot a coyote, I hope it's an anomaly. I hope it's half collie, or half schnauzer or something. As far as the proof you mentioned, there have been thousands tested. A simple Google search will find you a hundred examples very quickly, (I know, I've been reading them all day), and in every case, every single one, it's either 100% coyote or 100% dog. I've never claimed that it was impossible, just that it isn't happening. As far as arguing? I like a spirited debate. Society has become weak and debate in discouraged. Soccer moms hate confrontation and they have almost taken over with their weak mentalities. We are not descended from fearful men, and debate is an art form. I don't think shying away from it benefits anyone.
 
Hecouldgoalltheway said:
The more you speak the clearer it becomes that you have no understanding of genetics at all. You should ask more questions and do more research. Make less declarative statements. An 8th grade understanding of genetics would destroy everything coming out of your mouth. I'm not trying to be hateful or rude here, but the world sees the things we post here, and you simply don't have enough knowledge of this topic or how biologists operate to make anymore statements.
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Classic! lol!
 
Hecouldgoalltheway said:
if you knew anything about anything, you would know that it doesn't actually have blue hair, and neither does anything else. Take a moment to educate yourself on this.
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You are clueless as to what I know. You cite biologists this & that. As to prove your point about the non-existence of a coydog in the wild. Because your beloved biologists have never seen one. Thus, they can not possibly exist. That is laughable. Embolden your letters like that matters. lol!
 
medic joe said:
You are clueless as to what I know. You cite biologists this & that. As to prove your point about the non-existence of a coydog in the wild. Because your beloved biologists have never seen one. Thus, they can not possibly exist. That is laughable. Embolden your letters like that matters. lol!
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No, I don't even know how the bold letters happened, that's an accident. What I'm talking about is how blue haired in dogs isn't actually a thing at all. All of the "blue" you see in dogs isn't actually blue. It's a mixture of colors that create a blue appearance. It's one of a dozen things you've said that prove how little you understand this stuff.
 
medic joe said:
You are clueless as to what I know. You cite biologists this & that. As to prove your point about the non-existence of a coydog in the wild. Because your beloved biologists have never seen one. Thus, they can not possibly exist. That is laughable. Embolden your letters like that matters. lol!
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You also can not answer why my coyote pic above. Has the color blue in it's facial hair. Deny that all you want. You can not answer why it has blue in it's facial hair. Because you can not say. If you did admit it?(which you won't). You would then have to delve into the possibility. That the coyote I killed had domestic dog somewhere in it's bloodline. And we can't have that now, can we? lol! By the way... check mate.
 
To explain further, "blue" hair in canines is a mix of black and silver fur. It isn't blue.

Black and silver are very common coyote colors. You shot an unremarkable coyote.
 
medic joe said:
You also can not answer why my coyote pic above. Has the color blue in it's facial hair. Deny that all you want. You can not answer why it has blue in it's facial hair. Because you can not say. If you did admit it?(which you won't). You would then have to delve into the possibility. That the coyote I killed had domestic dog somewhere in it's bloodline. And we can't have that now, can we? lol! By the way... check mate.
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One of my furbuyer's. Told me he had seen a lot of coyotes. But never 1 with the color blue in it's fur. He told me he was going to either mount or tan that hide & keep it for himself. Because of it's rarity.
 
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