Coydog, wolf/yote, wolf/dog, whatever...

medic joe said:
I don't have a pic of an odd looking coyote that has had it's DNA tested. As to it being a coydog. However early 80's I killed a very large male coyote. That had an off white face. It's muzzle was very dark & had a dark blue hue to it's coloration. Also around it's off white face. Was a very thin line of dark blue/purplish fur. Was it a coydog? Who knows? But what I've seen to date out of a few thousand coyotes. IS...no PURE bred coyote. Has the color blue in it's fur.
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My mistake, as my memory has faded over the yrs. It's face & muzzle were dark, not white. See the pic below.

 
Yao ming is a human. Shaquille O'Neil is a human, Scarlett Johanneson is a human, Danny devito is a human, Peter Dinlklage is a human, and on and on it goes. You can do this with every species on earth, think horses or dogs. As I write this, my daughter's 5lb Cavapoo is sitting in my lap while my lab mix dog is laying next to the heater in my garage. He's about 130lbs. They have nothing in common expect their love of snacks, but dogs they are. Both of them..
 
Circa; 1971. I killed a large female coyote. She weighed 47 or 48 lbs? I don't recall for sure now. Is a purebred female coyote suppose to be that large? I've read numerous "expert opinions". About what a coyote is "suppose" to weigh. upper 20's up to around 35lbs. Not anywhere close to 47 or 48 lbs for a female. The North Eastern coyote is known even be larger. Makes a person wonder. Now doesn't it.
 
medic joe said:
Circa; 1971. I killed a large female coyote. She weighed 47 or 48 lbs? I don't recall for sure now. Is a purebred female coyote suppose to be that large? I've read numerous "expert opinions". About what a coyote is "suppose" to weigh. upper 20's up to around 35lbs. Not anywhere close to 47 or 48 lbs for a female. The North Eastern coyote is known to even be larger. Makes a person wonder. Now doesn't it.
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Hecouldgoalltheway said:
I'd imagine they can have all sorts of colors. If they can be solid black, solid white, red, tan, silver, gray, and everything in between, and you understand how pigmentation works in the cells, then sure,
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I understand enough to get me by about genes & recessive genes. Myself, I've seen many varied colored coyotes(NEVER another coyote that had "blue" in it's fur coloration). I have also seen a coyote whose body hair was long & flowing, like a long haired collie/See; Lassie. I've seen an all gold coyote. Gold like a gold bar. That coyote had very short pointed ears & an extremely thick muzzle. It's ears looked like little arrow heads. I've seen among other solid colored coyotes. One large coyote that was solid brown, no white on it's underside. It was paired up with a smaller mousy grey coyote. I've seen a handful coyotes that were extremely large. About/around 2x the size of a regular coyote. What was in their DNA? I have no idea.
 
medic joe said:
I understand enough to get me by about genes & recessive genes. Myself, I've seen many varied colored coyotes(NEVER another coyote that had "blue" in it's fur coloration). I have also seen a coyote whose body hair was long & flowing, like a long haired collie/See; Lassie. I've seen an all gold coyote. Gold like a gold bar. That coyote had very short pointed ears & an extremely thick muzzle. It's ears looked like little arrow heads. I've seen among other solid colored coyotes. One large coyote that was solid brown, no white on it's underside. It was paired up with a smaller mousy grey coyote. I've seen a handful coyotes that were extremely large. About/around 2x the size of a regular coyote. What was in their DNA? I have no idea.
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Do I believe in Biology? Of course I do. However, when a biologist makes a claim. I want to know how he/she came to the conclusion(you know...truth) about a coyote & a dog, Not crossbreeding. Furthermore, as per a Biologist who radio collar coyotes. Then makes conclusions. About behaviors interacting with non-related coyotes & or domestic dogs. I want to know how they made those conclusions. Did they theorize? Or did they spend many hundreds/thousands of hours of "field time". To make those conclusions?
 
medic joe said:
I understand enough to get me by about genes & recessive genes. Myself, I've seen many varied colored coyotes(NEVER another coyote that had "blue" in it's fur coloration). I have also seen a coyote whose body hair was long & flowing, like a long haired collie/See; Lassie. I've seen an all gold coyote. Gold like a gold bar. That coyote had very short pointed ears & an extremely thick muzzle. It's ears looked like little arrow heads. I've seen among other solid colored coyotes. One large coyote that was solid brown, no white on it's underside. It was paired up with a smaller mousy grey coyote. I've seen a handful coyotes that were extremely large. About/around 2x the size of a regular coyote. What was in their DNA? I have no idea.
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What was in their DNA?

According to the literally thousands of odd looking coyotes that have been tested, it was coyote. They are always just coyotes. There is a significant amount of species variability among dogs, and among wolves, but an odd looking coyote... that must have been a hybrid with something else? It doesn't pass the smell test, and there has never been one piece of evidence.
 
In 2025 a DNA test is about as simple as ordering a big mac. You can pay $30 and swab your cheeks and they can take that swab and tell you who your ancestors were and when they came to America. They can tell you what % of your DNA came from each continent etc. Now, I don't think it's a perfect science, none are, but the simple act of determining coyote from dog DNA is high school chemistry. They test them all the time and the result is always the same. I said this a few days ago: any biologist who found an actual coyote/dog hybrid would have a lottery ticket. They would be featured in magazines, get book and speaking deals. It would be huge. They want to find one really bad, and they try constantly. The problem is: they don't exist.
 
Hecouldgoalltheway, Not to play Devils Advocate here, but where did/do you get the results of thousands of DNA tested coyotes?

I don’t think it happens hardly ever, but it isn’t that big of a stretch to say it never happens.
 
hunt0168 said:
Hecouldgoalltheway, Not to play Devils Advocate here, but where did/do you get the results of thousands of DNA tested coyotes?

I don’t think it happens hardly ever, but it isn’t that big of a stretch to say it never happens.
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There is no place I've found a compilation of data. I've listened to canid biologists talk about it for decades on podcasts and documentaries.

The simple way to prove it is to prove there is one. Can you find one example as proof? You can start searching Google and you'll quickly find story after story showing an odd looking coyote or dog, and when tested, they are never..... never a coyote/ dog hybrid. I will never say that anything is impossible, but if you can't prove one in a discussion as old as time, it's probably just not happening. I'm ready to be proven wrong, just show me one..
 
Doesn’t mean enough to me to bother proving anything. I’m more in the mindset that if it happens at all it’s probably a captive, forced thing.

I just think that it isn’t that far of a stretch to say it can’t.
 
hunt0168 said:
Doesn’t mean enough to me to bother proving anything. I’m more in the mindset that if it happens at all it’s probably a captive, forced thing.

I just think that it isn’t that far of a stretch to say it can’t.
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Well, it's impossible to prove the absence of a thing, but it's really easy to prove the presence of a thing.

So just one example will do sir, share with us one.
 
medic joe said:
Where does a purebred coyote get the color (blue) in it's fur coloration?
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Odds are a recessive gene from previously cross mating with the grey wolf. More probable in my opinion vs. cross mating with a domestic dog

Question... why are you so stuck on the topic?
 
medic joe said:
Do I believe in Biology? Of course I do. However, when a biologist makes a claim. I want to know how he/she came to the conclusion(you know...truth) about a coyote & a dog, Not crossbreeding. Furthermore, as per a Biologist who radio collar coyotes. Then makes conclusions. About behaviors interacting with non-related coyotes & or domestic dogs. I want to know how they made those conclusions. Did they theorize? Or did they spend many hundreds/thousands of hours of "field time". To make those conclusions?
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You wouldn't understand any of that data. You could not work out the simplest of genetic problems given in a basic genetic 101 class. The narcissist in you wouldn't accept any of the biologist's conclusions anyway.
 
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