Coydog, wolf/yote, wolf/dog, whatever...

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medic joe

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Visiting many discussions on this site & other sites. I see various school of thoughts & beliefs. Those that believe, those who do not believe, ect. Some view points use biologist's views/experiences. As to the total truth of any matter. Myself, the very inclusion of any biologist view point & or experiences. Does not, prove without a shadow of doubt. As to the total truth of varied view points & or predator hunters experiences. Not to put the boot to a biologists understandings or findings. Their(biologist)beliefs/understandings. Are not all inclusive, as to the final say/truth. Of any matter relating to the title of my initial post.

Some claim a coyote will always be aggressive to a domestic dog. Well I do not believe that as a total truth. Because I have been told different by a handful of farmers. Who witnessed. Both their farm/acreage dog(s) playing/frolicking with. And also fighting a wild coyote. Does the coydog exist? Yes it does, both domestically & in the wild. As for the wild coydog. On rare occasion, a wild coyote may breed with a domestic dog. Same goes for a wild wolf breeding with a wild coyote on a rare occasion.

Some people on here & elsewhere. Will drag in the word, Biologist into a discussion. To bolster their own belief/viewpoint. That word, that title usage "Biologist". Is not the final say or truth of the above discussions. How could any biologist. Claim to have taken DNA from "every odd looking wild coyote". That exists or has existed?
 
You pick some odd hills to climb, lol. Generally yes, coyotes will kill dogs. Every dog? Probably not. With the amount of coy dogs or coy wolves talked about it’s made out to not be a rarity that “biologist” claim, yet no DNA test are ever done to verify.
I personally think it would be cool if they had actual data to look and say yeah, this is a cross between a coyote and whatever type of dog. If it happened as much as people think or claim then I’d bet there would be a pattern as to which dogs are more likely to mate with a coyote.
Nothing in nature is absolute, everyone knows that.
 
Spurchaser said:
You pick some odd hills to climb, lol. Generally yes, coyotes will kill dogs. Every dog? Probably not. With the amount of coy dogs or coy wolves talked about it’s made out to not be a rarity that “biologist” claim, yet no DNA test are ever done to verify.
I personally think it would be cool if they had actual data to look and say yeah, this is a cross between a coyote and whatever type of dog. If it happened as much as people think or claim then I’d bet there would be a pattern as to which dogs are more likely to mate with a coyote.
Nothing in nature is absolute, everyone knows that.
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I personally do not believe. It is possible that anyone can claim(including any Biologists). About the totality of everything(true) about the coydog. I do not remember her name & don't remember her exact study. But I'm sure with enough researching someone can find her study here on the internet. About a woman Biologist in russia. Who breed in captivity. I believe? Red Foxes. She over the duration of her study in fox captivity. She would pick out the most submissive foxes. Then breed one submissive fox to another who were not closely or not related. She used non related? foxes I think? To complete her study. Anyway....breeding one submissive fox to another submissive. Eventually coming up with a fox. That had a large curl in it's tail & floppy ears. Her study is the most interesting study I have ever read anywhere. If memory serves me correctly. She also made a video(or took pics) of those odd looking fox.

Myself over my hunt years. Have seen some very odd looking coyotes. Most of which were very large. I personally believe those canines I seen were coyote hybrids. Whether they were breed in captivity then turned loose in the country side? I can not say. Otherwise, they came from the wild. However, I can not say for a FACT about that either.
 
Spurchaser said:
Nothing in nature is absolute, everyone knows that.
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Guess we'll never know for certain, one way or the other, but, FWIW, the ranches I hunt have gate guards who reside at the main gates. Two of these ranches are known to have resident, or at least ocelot passing through. One of the gate guards had quite a few cats and an ocelot was seen multiple times in the vicinity. One cat had a litter of very large kittens w/markings similar to an ocelot. IIRC she had four kittens, two of which survived. Gate guard kept one and ranch owner's daughter has the other.
The one that the guard kept was bitten by a rattler and cost the guard a bunch to pull him through, but seems to be quite healthy last time I saw him. He is about twice the size of normal cat, roams free around (and in) the guard's house. I'm always amused that this cat always runs up to the truck and sniffs all the tires when he is loose.
Sorry, these are pictures of the guard's cell phone, can't find the ones I took of the cat myself.
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Back to my post; Speaking of professionals who have or do study coyotes. I'm talking about Biologists/PHD's in Biology in reference to the study/findings of wild canines/ie; coyotes. Also including radio collared coyote telemetry. What have they obtained as to factual information? When it comes to what coyotes actually do in the wild, day after day after day. Do ALL coyotes hate/fight/kill, domestic dogs? What about those professionals actually witnessing with their own eyes, day after day after day. As for the behaviors, territorial boundry's, & or interactions with domestic dogs? ect. Can those professionals actually claim for a FACT. A wild coyote will not EVER breed with a domestic dog? How about the knowledge of a Vet. Can he/she claim for a FACT. That a wild coyote will not EVER breed with a domestic dog?

In my view on this topic. There are truths missing.

Furthermore, I'm more prone to listen to a long time coyote hunter. Than I'm vs a Biologist(s). Who claims to understand the TRUTHS about coyotes & their behaviors.
 
medic joe said:
Back to my post; Speaking of professionals who have or do study coyotes. I'm talking about Biologists/PHD's in Biology in reference to the study/findings of wild canines/ie; coyotes. Also including radio collared coyote telemetry. What have they obtained as to factual information? When it comes to what coyotes actually do in the wild, day after day after day. Do ALL coyotes hate/fight/kill, domestic dogs? What about those professionals actually witnessing with their own eyes, day after day after day. As for the behaviors, territorial boundry's, & or interactions with domestic dogs? ect. Can those professionals actually claim for a FACT. A wild coyote will not EVER breed with a domestic dog? How about the knowledge of a Vet. Can he/she claim for a FACT. That a wild coyote will not EVER breed with a domestic dog?

In my view on this topic. There are truths missing.

Furthermore, I'm more prone to listen to a long time coyote hunter. Than I'm vs a Biologist(s). Who claims to understand the TRUTHS about coyotes & their behaviors.
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You sure told them! All those PhD idiots. should have asked you. before coming. to any conclusions.
 
It's clear that this thread was intended as a soap box for one person's opinion.


I don't care what science says, DNA evidence, or the complete and total lack of proof, I'm sure I'm right, and that's all there is to it.

-Medic Joe
 
Hecouldgoalltheway said:
It's clear that this thread was intended as a soap box for one person's opinion.


I don't care what science says, DNA evidence, or the complete and total lack of proof, I'm sure I'm right, and that's all there is to it.

-Medic Joe
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What I'm pointing out is. My many unanswered questions of professionals. As IF...they are the final say.
 
medic joe said:
Never said I was. God forbid any member on here. Question a professional. lol!
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Question all of the professionals you want to.

Your evidence against everything the scientific community has ever come up with is "trust me bro".

They test dozens of these strange looking coyotes every year, and every single time, they are just coyotes, but you know better, because somebody told you so. It's hard to even take you seriously. This conversation was already ongoing in another thread, but you had to create this one to repeat the same half baked nonsensical point about 8 times in a row. You don't trust science, cool. I don't trust it either sometimes, but your only evidence is that you have no evidence, except some stories you've been told.
 
Hecouldgoalltheway said:
Question all of the professionals you want to.

Your evidence against everything the scientific community has ever come up with is "trust me bro".

They test dozens of these strange looking coyotes every year, and every single time, they are just coyotes, but you know better, because somebody told you so. It's hard to even take you seriously. This conversation was already ongoing in another thread, but you had to create this one to repeat the same half baked nonsensical point about 8 times in a row. You don't trust science, cool. I don't trust it either sometimes, but your only evidence is that you have no evidence, except some stories you've been told.
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Actually you & I are more alike than you claim above. I do not trust everything I hear or read. Even from a college trained professional. My point, is how those professionals came to their own conclusions or ARE they theories? However, no professional can be correct ALL of the time. Due to lack of all inclusive evidence/truths. Those professionals I question. How much continual field time/experiences do they TRULY have? Therein lies the rub with me. Same goes with some regular joe/coyote hunter's opinion.
 
medic joe said:
Actually you & I are more alike than you claim above. I do not trust everything I hear or read. Even from a college trained professional. My point, is how those professionals came to their own conclusions or ARE they theories? However, no professional can be correct ALL of the time. Due to lack of all inclusive evidence/truths. Those professionals I question. How much continual field time/experiences do they TRULY have? Therein lies the rub with me. Same goes with some regular joe/coyote hunter's opinion.
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By the way while I'm on a roll, lol! Shooting coyotes from a helicopter/airplane. Doesn't mean squat to me. So freaking what.
 
Ok, I'll make it simple Joe. Show us one example of a dog/coyote hybrid. One confirmed by a simple DNA test. Not a picture of a funny looking coyote, because they are everywhere, but one example of a hybrid that is proven.

Just one Joe. Any one will do..
 
Hecouldgoalltheway said:
Ok, I'll make it simple Joe. Show us one example of a dog/coyote hybrid. One confirmed by a simple DNA test. Not a picture of a funny looking coyote, because they are everywhere, but one example of a hybrid that is proven.

Just one Joe. Any one will do..
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I don't have a pic of an odd looking coyote that has had it's DNA tested. As to it being a coydog. However early 80's I killed a very large male coyote. That had an off white face. It's muzzle was very dark & had a dark blue hue to it's coloration. Also around it's off white face. Was a very thin line of dark blue/purplish fur. Was it a coydog? Who knows? But what I've seen to date out of a few thousand coyotes. IS...no PURE bred coyote. Has the color blue in it's fur.
 
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