After the first shot the rest is just noise.

A big part of the fun in all this for me is the fact my Daughter is really having fun with it too. This was her shooting for speed a couple months ago. I'm only barely keeping ahead of her and only because I'm putting in more time and ammo. Her young good eyes, reflexes and coordination are hard to keep ahead of.

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Her fiancé is a police officer. And he's pretty darn good with his Glock. Better than either of us. But we are kind of secretly practicing and not saying anything. Daughter and I are planning to bring him out like sometime in May after we both have two or three thousand more rounds of practice and surprise him by hopefully kicking his arse :ROFLMAO:.

- DAA
What a way to share quality time with the daughter. Looks like everyone needs to stay on her good side.😀

I've never done the dot torture test. My version is to shoot 3 shots each at 3,5,& 7 yards at the same dot, then start adding a yard at a time to each yardage as I got better. My practice is more deliberate on accuracy rather than speed. I shoot next to the tailgate of the pickup, & most of the empties land on it, so I don't have to bend over to pick up the brass.

So I load 10 in the mag, shoot 3, lay the gun down, move the target, back to the gun, shoot 3, rinse & repeat. Tenth shot is on one of the steel targets. After 100 rounds or so, I'll switch guns. After that I'll play on the steel.

I have the steel targets at 10,15, 20, 25, 30, & 35 yards, all 8". I have two more 12" squares off to the right at 45 & 50. When I get the Buckmark 22 out, I'll move around as I don't have to police my brass. I'll get back to 75 yards or so with that. I put over 5K through the nines the last several months before the weather shut me down.

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I have the great fortune of living <500yrds from a dnr gravel pit. I hear a LOT of shooting. The vast majority of shooters are just blowing round after round through a hot barrel, cant be accomplishing much as far as zeroing their rifles, just burning tbrough ammo. And most leave targets and trash behind. Its just how it is. The unwashed masses. Also every street sign between here and town is riddled with bullet holes, and the roadsides are sprinkled with beer cans, which im sure is just a coincidence. I think of the gravel pit as mag dump corner. Forgot to mention how many times ive found targets nailed to live trees. Big, high value trees. So many idiots its unreal. Also once, inthe dead of winter, barely room for a rig to pull off in the pit, turned the corner only to be shot by a kid with a shotgun. Broken clay targets right in the road. I stopped and yelled at dad, wtf are you doing teaching your kid to shoot at a road, he just shot my truck?? Dad seemed totally bewildered that i had a problem with what he was doing. He was tossing targets right along the road for his kid, i shit you not
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Other than the destruction of target backs and the boards that are destroyed, I really don't care either. But usually they shoot up the 2x4 frames and the 4x4 posts and they are expensive when you have to replace them. No one pays to shoot on the rifle or pistol ranges so the club foots the bill.
I hear you, Bill.
I'd be making some of those supports out of metal is probably what I'd do. That way people ain't trying to shoot them but avoiding it instead. If not I'd tell people they probably need to plan on bringing their own targets and ways to hang them.
Metal frames won't stop them from being shot at, just might last a bit longer.
We have National matches and it’s definitely embarrassing to have the uprights shot up like they are.
I’d like to stop the use of staple guns as well but that will never happen. I use large sized metal push pins. It becomes difficult to place targets with all the staples and chunks of targets left there. We use pine boards so it’s not hard to push pins in.
We have steel plates at 235yds if retards wanna blast ammo, but they’d rather shoot the uprights.
I’ve never personally seen anyone do it, but they were riddled within 2 weeks of the last board replacement
Our club relied upon volunteers to maintain the premises, including target frames and the members all had keys to the locked gate. I ran our club's highpower rifle competitions for 17 years and part of my responsibility was to organize work parties and/or keep target frames, etc. up for some 200 members. Shot up target frames was one of my biggest headaches.
We designed and built the range, with target pits for 10 targets, similar to military ranges. Target frames with all metal parts of the frames which retracted into the pits and locked, so they were never exposed to the firing lines. Never had any damage to those; the wooden target frames (the part exposed) were removed and kept in locked target house in the pit. ETA: Only club members holding Marksman and above NRA HP rifle classifications are allowed to shoot greater distances than 200 yard line. (To insure they know the "comeups" on their rifle and can keep their impact on the backstop.) The range is a narrow strip of land, about 200' wide on which we pushed up a full width 35' high backstop and our terrain is very flat, making it imperative that all shots be directed at that backstop. We had 200 yard, 300 yard and 600 yard firing lines All members were required to attend a range safety session when they picked up their key at the annual meeting.

Most members were responsible and all were tasked with correcting and/or reporting any safety violations observed, but there are always a few "Rambo types" and they, along with a number of thoughtless shooters who persisted in pinning their targets directly in front of fixed target frames required hours of unnecessary repair to keep them serviceable.

We had fixed frames up @ 100 and 200 yards cosisting of 2x4 legs, 1x4 frames and faced with 1/2"x2'x8' "Southern Pine Asphalt Panels" from Home Depot. These are fairly inexpensive (4x8 sheet around $20) and soft enough to use push pins or staplers to fasten targets. We first used 4" PVC set in cement to hold the frames (so that the frames were easily removed on match day), but 2x4's were shot up both intentionally and by accident. (Some clods would even shoot at the roofing tacks used to hold the panel to the frame until I started painting he heads black! 🤬) Others just weren't careful to place their targets so as to clear the frames. Finally, I had an additional piece of PVC set @ 10' and built the frames 10' wide which left a foot clearance on each end between panel & the 2x4 legs, reducing, but not stopping shots hitting the legs.

As far as letting members use their own targets, we could not rely on them placing frames so that bullets impacted the backstop. In fact one of my biggest headaches was pistol shooters settin tin cans, short target frames, etc. 25' on the ground in front of the 200 yard firing line resulting in ricochets that might, but most probably didn't impact the backstop.

Finally built a smallbore and pistol range in a pit from which we took a lot of dirt for the backstop to resolve that problem. Maintaining a range is akin to herding cats!
 
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I would like to try Mantisx, trigger/grip control is a lot of handgun accuracy/speed. Supposed to get instant feedback from the dry fire training, helps build muscle memory and allows you to see what you doing incorrectly.
 
Mag dump corner is sure living up to its reputation today. I just dont get the appeal of blowing through mag after mag as fast as possible. Should probably just close the window and turn some music on. Im sure the gravel pit will have a fresh load of beer cans and assorted trash after this
 
Use 1/4" - 3/8" angle iron for the upright post. You can wrap these steel upright posts with heavy rubber belting material if you want. Set those with the V of the angle pointed back toward the shooting line. Tightly stretch chicken wire from post to post. Use wooden clothes pins to hang targets onto the chicken wire. A cardboard backer for the targets helps keep the paper targets stiff and straight. The steel uprights last forever. The chicken wire will eventually need to be replaced but that is an inexpensive and easy chore.
 
I can't believe that as a Canadian I have more to add to this even WITH our stupid gun laws.
When I was shooting 3 gun the name of the game was accuracy as fast as possible.
To train this we often shot what's known as a "bill drill"
Under a time a shooter must draw and rip off 6 rounds as fast as possible while still getting them inside a specific size target.
To the uninitiated it looks like just goofing off and wasting ammo but it's a great way to highlight shooter issues. Often you will find the last few shots get slower and slower which is a sign of tensing up or lack of proper recoil control.
Not saying these guys weren't just wasting ammo for giggles but they very well have been training with a specific purpose.
And yes we did this with ar15's as well to the point that I would wager I can shoot a 6 sec bill drill with my AR faster than the avg American AR owner.
 
Very true on pistol range or w/lead rifle bullets, but there are some who would consider that a challenge on a rifle range. ;)

The V of the angle iron deflects rounds. That is why some guys wrap it with rubber belting material, so the heavy rubber catches bullet fragments. The angle turns the bullets to one side or the other with no damage to the "post."
 
I started a whole sticky thread for shooting handgun drills.


Rifles can be shot in drills the same way. I shoot my defensive rifles in drills the same as I do my handguns. Maybe to the uninitiated it sounds like a lot of fast rattling of shots and spray and pray stuff going on. But if they knew what was up they would hear the timer beep and recognize a distinct pattern to the shots. If they care to come over and strike up a conversation I can explain the drill and offer them a chance to try it. If they stand off and mean mug me they can kiss my butt. I'll wager my shooting drills with my defensive weapons are a better use of my time than 90% of them sitting at a bench and shooting groups with the 11th load in that rifle or banging that big old 12" steel at 300 yards from a rest. I don't do anything destructive at my range and I don't question how any other shooter uses his range time and ammo. Don't quiz me unless you want a very direct answer.
 
There is a vast difference between rapid fire training and those whom I previously referred to as "Rambo types" doing mag dumps. Easy to tell the different cadence.
 
Sounds like the gun club is causing too much stress. Maybe it's time for bingo instead? :LOL:
You are probably correct! But our club runs on volunteer help and the volunteers seem to be few and far between. When you mention "work party" they run like roach's when the light comes on. Some have trouble just removing their shot up targets when they are finished. We have 575 paid members and if you get 3-4 people for a work party your real lucky and its usually the same 3-4 that helped the last time. So yes, it does get stressful at times. But.....we haven't figured out how to get volunteers and you can't force someone to come help. We considered a "maintenance fee" and if you worked "X" amount of hours it would be dropped. But its hard to find enough work for 575 people and we have several that aren't physically able to do much work so it really isn't fair to them. Then you have those that come to shoot and could care less if the work gets done. So we get stuck between the rock and a hard spot.
 
Many years of working in and for various volunteer organizations confirms your observation, Bill. Unfortunately, it is usually the same small group in any organization that actually carry the load.

Seen it locally over the years. Everyone is too busy to help. The core group that does everything is getting old and burned out.

The archery club I grew up at is hanging on by thread.
 
The Pres of our club says the same team of mules is pulling the wagon. What he fails to say is the mules are getting tired of pulling this wagon. The same guys that are the club officers have been doing the same jobs for years and years. No one wants to step up but they all want to shoot. I've been a member for over 20yrs and an officer for at least 15 yrs in some form or another. I said last year was my last but here I am in 2025. LOL a gluten for punishment I guess.
 
That is a broad and unfair statement. Everyone has a right to shoot the way they see fit to a certain point as long they're safe about it.

I shoot in speed shooting comps and must practice if I'm going to be competitive.
 
That's AWS's signature line and it makes perfect sense to me. I was at the club yesterday working loads for my T/C and a couple of fellows were on the pistol range. It sounded like a war zone. Mag dump after mag dump after mag dump and this went on for a long time. Aside from burning up a few hundred rounds of ammo and probably their barrels, what was accomplished? Maybe they think they are GI Joe in a war or something. I watch videos of shooters doing the same thing. I call it spray and pray. I'm more of a one shot one kill kind of shooter. Does quantity over quality make up for poor marksmanship? Just seems like a terrible waste to me and it really tears up the targets that me and another guy have to replace.
Doing multiple mag dumps at a pistol range seems like perfectly legitimate practice to me. Quantity is important for pistol practice. When I'm shooting handguns it isn't a big deal to shoot 500 rounds at the range that day. With a rifle, I rarely exceed 100 rounds.

Shooters will certainly tear up the targets faster on a pistol range than a rifle range. I can understand why you are frustrated if you are the one that is putting in the work to replace the targets. The best solution is to get the pistol range shooters more involved in time and/or $$ of replacing the targets. If other stuff is getting damaged on the range because shooters are just spraying bullets without hitting targets then that is a whole separate issue to address.
 
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