Duhhh
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No it’s a 6 creedOkis that in a 243?
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Wow that was a long shot!
I've considered these after I exhaust my considerable stash of 87 Vmax blems but I'm not sure if they'll shoot in a 9 twist.
FWIW if you want a verrrry accurate and pretty cheap bullet the 87 bthp Hdy is crazy accurate in my rifles. Not quite the bc of the Vmax though but way better than the 85 gr Sierra.
I've considered these after I exhaust my considerable stash of 87 Vmax blems but I'm not sure if they'll shoot in a 9 twist.
FWIW if you want a verrrry accurate and pretty cheap bullet the 87 bthp Hdy is crazy accurate in my rifles. Not quite the bc of the Vmax though but way better than the 85 gr Sierra.
Duhhh
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That’s impressive speed with that bullet for sure. So it’s basically a rebranded 6-7prc. I’d imagine that would leave a mess on a coyote. Wish he would have shown the aftermath on the coyotes he shot.
I’ve been looking at building another hot rod 6mm but I’m not sure it’ll be this one. I appreciate him disclosing that they’re not getting the best speed out of the heavier bullets with it. Interested to see how the recoil compares other 6mms.
At this point in think the 6um or the 6 Primal are the two that get the nod on pushing the heavy bullets the fastest.
I’ve been looking at building another hot rod 6mm but I’m not sure it’ll be this one. I appreciate him disclosing that they’re not getting the best speed out of the heavier bullets with it. Interested to see how the recoil compares other 6mms.
At this point in think the 6um or the 6 Primal are the two that get the nod on pushing the heavy bullets the fastest.
TXCOONDOG
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I'm sure there will be someone that will make it one of theirs before too long and get it SAMMI approved under the PRC name....LMAO. I have several Wildcats and I was looking at the 6 Primal but shied away because of the long action/short action magnums and wondered how heavy it would need to be in order to stay in the scope.
Then again, I like fast and flat with minimal hold over/adjustment.
Then again, I like fast and flat with minimal hold over/adjustment.
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Duhhh
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Haha I feel you there. I believe Unknown Munitions in Idaho does the 6UM in a short action. ADG is has been and will be making brass for it. Otherwise you have to fire form SAUM brass and get some custom dies.
I think they’re slinging 115 DTACs around 3200-3400 fps out of 20 inch barrels. I believe they’re comparing the recoil to a 6.5 creedmoor, which is definitely manageable for that kind of performance.
I do love minimal hold over too. Recently sold off all my magnums because I enjoy the fast shooting guns. Spotting impacts when shooting has become number 1 for me as I’ve developed my shooting skills.
So far the 6 creed, 22 creed, and 22-250 have given me great killing performance on elk down to coyotes. Being able to keep them in the scope after impact is the icing on the cake.
I think they’re slinging 115 DTACs around 3200-3400 fps out of 20 inch barrels. I believe they’re comparing the recoil to a 6.5 creedmoor, which is definitely manageable for that kind of performance.
I do love minimal hold over too. Recently sold off all my magnums because I enjoy the fast shooting guns. Spotting impacts when shooting has become number 1 for me as I’ve developed my shooting skills.
So far the 6 creed, 22 creed, and 22-250 have given me great killing performance on elk down to coyotes. Being able to keep them in the scope after impact is the icing on the cake.
I can’t get them to shoot for nothing. I have close to 400 of them if anyone wants them. They are not stabilizing in my barrels. My 243 is a 1-8 and they key holed. Which doesn’t make any sense to me because I shoot 108’s of it. Same with my 6creed 1-8 and shoot 108’s out of it. These things out of each rifle are everywhere nothing even close to a group more like a shotgun pattern they would be horrible for that too. I really wanted these to work. I had high hopes for them.
TXCOONDOG
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I ordered two boxes last night along with a chargemaster from Brownell's. Midway's site says 1:8 T or faster. If it doesn't work in my 243 pushing out of 24" w/ 8 T with Staball which I should be able to reach 3300-3400 FPS easily, I'll report back.
Now the reviews say, 8 T is borderline stability if pushed less than 3000 FPS. If I do get them to group at a 100 yds then I'll shoot them between 200-500yds to see how they do.
Now the reviews say, 8 T is borderline stability if pushed less than 3000 FPS. If I do get them to group at a 100 yds then I'll shoot them between 200-500yds to see how they do.
Keep us posted I’m curious to see what I’m doing wrong.
TXCOONDOG
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I was finally able to get to the range this morning to do a 10 shot ladder and pressure test so I'll know where I need to start my accuracy, etc, testing. Hornady recommends an 8 twist or faster and the only 243's that have an 8 are my BCA AR 10's, a HB 20" and a LW SS 24"(all testing done with this one). Regardless of powder or charge and/or primers with other loadings and bullets, both barrels love bullet weights 70-100 plus grainers .020" off the lands.
Let me say this, Sta Ball 6.5 is becoming my favorite powder over Varget and H4350 as it seems to give max velocities and accuracy 150-300 fps faster (same barrel length) before hitting pressure in the 22 CM, 6 CM , 6.5 CM and 243.
NOTE: This is for informational/educational purposes and not intended to be used as load data. What's safe in my guns may not be safe in yours. If you decide to use said data than you're doing so at your own risk and you're on your own PERIOD!!!!!
Since there isn't any published AR 10 in 243 data for the 80 VLD-VT, I started at 42 Grains @ 2953 FPS and worked up to MAX of 46.5 grains @ 3445 FPS (started seeing extractor/ejector marks) in 1/2 grain increments.
All data is on the attached target, included but not limited to; Gun, suppressor, bullet, powder, primer, conditions, yardage, etc. Shots 1, 2 & 3 are close together and shots 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, & 10 are close together. I also included a pic of all 10 pieces of brass and if you look closely than you will see the brass with pressure signs.
Now since I know where to start with testing loads at various distances (100-600 yard), under various conditions, etc. It gives me something to work with and it may be a while before I post my findings which includes performance on predators!
Let me say this, Sta Ball 6.5 is becoming my favorite powder over Varget and H4350 as it seems to give max velocities and accuracy 150-300 fps faster (same barrel length) before hitting pressure in the 22 CM, 6 CM , 6.5 CM and 243.
NOTE: This is for informational/educational purposes and not intended to be used as load data. What's safe in my guns may not be safe in yours. If you decide to use said data than you're doing so at your own risk and you're on your own PERIOD!!!!!
Since there isn't any published AR 10 in 243 data for the 80 VLD-VT, I started at 42 Grains @ 2953 FPS and worked up to MAX of 46.5 grains @ 3445 FPS (started seeing extractor/ejector marks) in 1/2 grain increments.
All data is on the attached target, included but not limited to; Gun, suppressor, bullet, powder, primer, conditions, yardage, etc. Shots 1, 2 & 3 are close together and shots 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, & 10 are close together. I also included a pic of all 10 pieces of brass and if you look closely than you will see the brass with pressure signs.
Now since I know where to start with testing loads at various distances (100-600 yard), under various conditions, etc. It gives me something to work with and it may be a while before I post my findings which includes performance on predators!
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Duhhh
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Here’s some more data points on coyotes. 6 creed, 80 eld-vt, 3445 at the muzzle.
This first one was a quartering to shot at 332 yards, impact velocity around 2524 fps. Bullet didn’t hit square in the chest. It hit the pocket between the shoulder and chest cavity and fragmented a lot. As you can see, it ripped apart the exiting side and left multiple inches of open wound. It ran off and I ended up putting 1 more bullet into it from a steep angle. Impact through the mouth and into the chest cavity.
This next one was at 220-230 ish yards. Impact velocity around 2750 FPS. I had the high ground and the shot was a steep angle. Upon impact, I could see a ton of blood splattering out. He turned a little but died quickly. Chunks of lung were laying on the ground and the exit was a little bigger than a 50 cent coin. Funny enough, the other coyote in the picture below was shot at a similar angle and distance but not nearly the amount of damage. He was a bloody mess inside when I skinned him though. Impact on him was into the lungs.
This last one was from 518 yards. Impact velocity around 2100fps. Hit just under the spine and had an exit. On the fur the hole was about a 50 cent coin size but here’s the damage under the skin.
So far, I’ve only had to give 1 follow up shot on a coyote. The results seem a little inconsistent as far as exits in my small sample size. I have a total of 16 killed coyotes with this combo so far. Don’t have all of it documented but I haven’t had any survive a hit from this bullet yet.
For me, it’s been very accurate but a little finicky with seating depth and it favors a cleanish barrel. Had a very close miss on a coyote at 1017 yards the other day. I just had a miss judged wind hold. I’ll also add, the ballistics pair up very well with my vortex furry AB rangfinding binos. The ballistics from the hornady 4dof calculator are not as accurate past 500 yards compared to my AB Furrys data.
This first one was a quartering to shot at 332 yards, impact velocity around 2524 fps. Bullet didn’t hit square in the chest. It hit the pocket between the shoulder and chest cavity and fragmented a lot. As you can see, it ripped apart the exiting side and left multiple inches of open wound. It ran off and I ended up putting 1 more bullet into it from a steep angle. Impact through the mouth and into the chest cavity.
This last one was from 518 yards. Impact velocity around 2100fps. Hit just under the spine and had an exit. On the fur the hole was about a 50 cent coin size but here’s the damage under the skin.
So far, I’ve only had to give 1 follow up shot on a coyote. The results seem a little inconsistent as far as exits in my small sample size. I have a total of 16 killed coyotes with this combo so far. Don’t have all of it documented but I haven’t had any survive a hit from this bullet yet.
For me, it’s been very accurate but a little finicky with seating depth and it favors a cleanish barrel. Had a very close miss on a coyote at 1017 yards the other day. I just had a miss judged wind hold. I’ll also add, the ballistics pair up very well with my vortex furry AB rangfinding binos. The ballistics from the hornady 4dof calculator are not as accurate past 500 yards compared to my AB Furrys data.