22 ARC

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William Suter

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At the club today, I found an empty 22 ARC case. When I got home, I compared it to one of my 6.5 Grendel cases and if I'm not out of line, it looks just like a necked down Grendel case. I haven't done any research on the Arc so go easy on me, but is that correct? What little I just read was it was basically developed to get 22-250 velocities in an AR platform rifle.

It is a neat little case
 
From what I’ve heard that’s the idea is 22-250 speeds in an AR, however It’s my understanding that they aren’t achieving these velocities out of standard barrel length AR’s
 
Just is capacity will limit it to less than a 22-250. The 22 ARC is little more than a 223AI or 22-204. It's redeeming attribute is that it will run through an AR and can use heavy bullets that don't need to be seated into the powder column.

It might be the ticket for building a svelt little calling gun on a Mini Mauser, Mini Howa or 527, but if your building on a standard short action you don't have to seat deep or need a short cartridge and the 223, 22-204 and 22-250 will fill the bill with readily available actions and components.
 
I was talking to a friend at the reloading shop and he mentioned waiting on the Ruger Gen II in 22 ARC, or to find one?? Then I was at the club doing some work and found the case on the ground. I noticed right off it looked a lot like my Grendel and when I got home I did a visual comparison and thought, this is just a necked down Grendel case. Then doing very minimal research pretty much got me to where I'm at now. LOL, not needing one or even wanting one. I don't own or shoot AR's and have 223's and a 204 and a 22-250AI. Not much need for another 22 caliber rifle.
 
AWS said:
Just is capacity will limit it to less than a 22-250. The 22 ARC is little more than a 223AI or 22-204. It's redeeming attribute is that it will run through an AR and can use heavy bullets that don't need to be seated into the powder column. It might be the ticket for building a svelt little calling gun on a Mini Mauser, Mini Howa or 527, but if your building on a standard short action you don't have to seat deep or need a short cartridge and the 223, 22-204 and 22-250 will fill the bill with readily available actions and components.
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AWS said:
Just is capacity will limit it to less than a 22-250. The 22 ARC is little more than a 223AI or 22-204. It's redeeming attribute is that it will run through an AR and can use heavy bullets that don't need to be seated into the powder column.

It might be the ticket for building a svelt little calling gun on a Mini Mauser, Mini Howa or 527, but if your building on a standard short action you don't have to seat deep or need a short cartridge and the 223, 22-204 and 22-250 will fill the bill with readily available actions and components.
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Well the whole point of the 22 ARC is to create something that fills the role of the 22/250 in an AR, but with modern design and strengths. The flagship load Hornady designed for the 22 ARC is the 62grain ELD-VT load which has an unprecedented BC for a 22 cal varmint bullet. 55grain 22/250 load has 50% more wind drift than this load and it only an inch or two flatter to 300 before the 22 ARC outruns it with its BC (much better barrel life too). This load is like 3300fps on the box and over 3100 fps out of a 16” AR. If you want a shortish coyote hunting AR to run with a can. The 22 ARC is the new king for predator Hunting AR’s.
 
did I mention it’s also deadly accurate right out of the box with factory ammo? 0.65” 5 shot groups out of my $175 ballistic advantage barrels on the first day out”
 
Howa just released the Mini Action in 22ARC…idk if they are in stores or able to be ordered yet but they def will be. That’d be the easy button on trying the caliber. Def a better rifle than the Ruger Gen 2 imo.

I think it’s a bit redundant in a bolt action, I’d just opt for a 22-250, but should be the bees knees in an AR

I’d have more interest in the 22 Creed for a bolt gun
 
All these new slow tacticool cartridges that shoot as flat as a water hose Crack me up.... 6.5 creedless, 22 arch, 6 arch, 224 debauchery, etc, etc.

I'm sure that I am not alone in the goal of emulating a 22-250 in the ar platform. Which requires case capacity to push a 40-60 grain bullet at insane speed for 300 yards...

In the rare event a 22 caliber cartridge comes along that meets the criteria the barrel manufacturers screw it up by only offering a 8 twist which requires a long heavy bullet or having to reduce speed to get accuracy thus neutering the cartridge to have the trajectory of a water hose again.

The sadest thing is the conspiracy that hornady discontinued Hagar brass to coax people into purchasing the turd 22arch.

The 22nosgar and 22nxs checked all of the boxes to produce 22-250 results in an ar15 platform but requires hagar brass.

I'm spoiled by my 24" white oak barrel chambered in 22 nosler 1-12 twist a simple 6.8spc bolt swap and hagar brass pushing a 55gn spire point 3650fps or 53 varmaggedon past 3700fps with insane accuracy. Once I run out of brass what will I do? I'm sure as heck not going backwards and buying a slow azz 22arch.

I guess I'll have to go back to my 22-250 bolt gun if a miracle doesn't happen.

Do I build a 22gt and take the chance of shearing a bolt?
Do I dump a fortune and commit to 100,000 pieces of custom hagar brass?
 
BleedsBlue said:
All these new slow tacticool cartridges that shoot as flat as a water hose Crack me up.... 6.5 creedless, 22 arch, 6 arch, 224 debauchery, etc, etc.

I'm sure that I am not alone in the goal of emulating a 22-250 in the ar platform. Which requires case capacity to push a 40-60 grain bullet at insane speed for 300 yards...

In the rare event a 22 caliber cartridge comes along that meets the criteria the barrel manufacturers screw it up by only offering a 8 twist which requires a long heavy bullet or having to reduce speed to get accuracy thus neutering the cartridge to have the trajectory of a water hose again.

The sadest thing is the conspiracy that hornady discontinued Hagar brass to coax people into purchasing the turd 22arch.

The 22nosgar and 22nxs checked all of the boxes to produce 22-250 results in an ar15 platform but requires hagar brass.

I'm spoiled by my 24" white oak barrel chambered in 22 nosler 1-12 twist a simple 6.8spc bolt swap and hagar brass pushing a 55gn spire point 3650fps or 53 varmaggedon past 3700fps with insane accuracy. Once I run out of brass what will I do? I'm sure as heck not going backwards and buying a slow azz 22arch.

I guess I'll have to go back to my 22-250 bolt gun if a miracle doesn't happen.

Do I build a 22gt and take the chance of shearing a bolt?
Do I dump a fortune and commit to 100,000 pieces of custom hagar brass?
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Sounds like you’re hung up on velocity, BC is the great equalizer. As said before the 22ARC V-Match load is no slouch, and performs far better than a 22 Nosler or 250 ever could in a 16” barrel. And as said before, a 55 grain 22/250 load has 50% more wind drift than the 62 grain ELD-VT in 22ARC. Theres a reason high BC cartridges are phasing out the old barrel burners.
 
BleedsBlue said:
All these new slow tacticool cartridges that shoot as flat as a water hose Crack me up.... 6.5 creedless, 22 arch, 6 arch, 224 debauchery, etc, etc.

I'm sure that I am not alone in the goal of emulating a 22-250 in the ar platform. Which requires case capacity to push a 40-60 grain bullet at insane speed for 300 yards...

In the rare event a 22 caliber cartridge comes along that meets the criteria the barrel manufacturers screw it up by only offering a 8 twist which requires a long heavy bullet or having to reduce speed to get accuracy thus neutering the cartridge to have the trajectory of a water hose again.

The sadest thing is the conspiracy that hornady discontinued Hagar brass to coax people into purchasing the turd 22arch.

The 22nosgar and 22nxs checked all of the boxes to produce 22-250 results in an ar15 platform but requires hagar brass.

I'm spoiled by my 24" white oak barrel chambered in 22 nosler 1-12 twist a simple 6.8spc bolt swap and hagar brass pushing a 55gn spire point 3650fps or 53 varmaggedon past 3700fps with insane accuracy. Once I run out of brass what will I do? I'm sure as heck not going backwards and buying a slow azz 22arch.

I guess I'll have to go back to my 22-250 bolt gun if a miracle doesn't happen.

Do I build a 22gt and take the chance of shearing a bolt?
Do I dump a fortune and commit to 100,000 pieces of custom hagar brass?
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You know before the 22 ARC came out, I was super interested in the 22 Nosler… until I saw how slight of an improvement it is over 223 in a 16” barrel.
 
FlySlanger said:
Sounds like you’re hung up on velocity, BC is the great equalizer. As said before the 22ARC V-Match load is no slouch, and performs far better than a 22 Nosler or 250 ever could in a 16” barrel. And as said before, a 55 grain 22/250 load has 50% more wind drift than the 62 grain ELD-VT in 22ARC. Theres a reason high BC cartridges are phasing out the old barrel burners.
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A 16" barrel is a handicap with nearly every cartridge.... seldom do people hunt when wind is strong enough to effect drift in 100 yards.

But to be fair Someone needs to post a ballistics chart comparison between a 53gn varmaggedon bullet with a . 303 bc traveling 3700fps (my choice of bullet in windy conditions) to the 22arch with the new 62gn ELD-VT (rated 3300fps out of 24" barrel) likely to only travel 3000-3100 out of 16" barrel. I am curious to compare the two out to 300 yards in 100 yard increments
 
BleedsBlue said:
A 16" barrel is a handicap with nearly every cartridge.... seldom do people hunt when wind is strong enough to effect drift in 100 yards.

But to be fair Someone needs to post a ballistics chart comparison between a 53gn varmaggedon bullet with a . 303 bc traveling 3700fps (my choice of bullet in windy conditions) to the 22arch with the new 62gn ELD-VT (rated 3300fps out of 24" barrel) likely to only travel 3000-3100 out of 16" barrel. I am curious to compare the two out to 300 yards in 100 yard increments
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Yes, longer barrels are almost always better for velocity, but when hunting with a suppressor it sure is nice. And I personally prefer a suppressed AR. Obviously there’s better cartridges for bolt guns. But the ARC was primarily designed for the AR-15. And just fyi the G1 BC for the 62 ELD-VT IS .395. Here is the best I could do for the info you’re talking about.
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