12 ga. Coyote loads
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derbyacresbob
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I would say 10 to 12 pellets inside that 12" circle as long as 5 or 6 of of those are in the 6" area in the middle of the 12" circle. You could have 20 pellets inside a 12" circle and in the middle 7" circle have no pellets.
I shot some coyotes with Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote loads and some with Remington HD T shot Predator loads. These 12g/cc T shot loads had 50 pellets per shell. I got way more clean kills shooting coyotes with Rem HD BB waterfowl loads with about 70 pellets per shell and my 3" 1-1/2 oz 15g/cc FHW #2 shot loads that had right at 90 pellets per shell.
I don't always put the center of my pattern in the perfect spot on a coyote but having 40% to 202% killing pellets per shell ups the odds of a killing pellet hitting the coyote in a good spot.
50 12g/cc T shot pellets to 70 12g/cc BB pellets is a 40% increase in pellet count.
50 12g/cc T shot pellets to 90 15g/cc #2 shot pellets is a 80% increase in pellet count.
41 lead #4 buck shot pellets to 124 TSS #4 shot 18g/cc #4 pellets is a 202% increase in pellet count.
Thank you
On almost every coyote calling stand we make we have a shotgun shooter and a rifle shooter. If the coyote runs right up to within 30 to 40 yards of our Foxpro the shotgun shooter shoots. If the coyote stops between 40 to 250 yards or so the rifle shooter shoots the coyote. We don't make any sounds to try to stop coyotes when they are running towards our Foxpro.
Before we started using shotguns in open country we had a fair amount of coyotes run right up to our cassette callers and turn and run off and get away. When we started using shotguns and put the shotgun shooter 10 to 20 yards from the e-caller not very many coyotes that ran up to our e-caller got away.
IMG_0260 - Copy by Robert Morris, on Flickr
In the above picture, in wide open country with no cover the rancher's son is laying down on the left and my Foxpro is in the middle of the picture. On the right side of the picture is a coyote that ends up getting killed with a shotgun by the ranchers son. About 10 minutes before this coyote showed up I killed a coyote with my 243 Win laying prone.
In the country we hunt in, a good rifle and shotgun shooter will kill more coyotes than two good rifle shooters will over 4 months of coyote calling. Most of the ranches we hunt on, only 40% to 60% of the ranches are good rifle calling country. By using a shotgun or shotguns it make the whole ranch good for coyote calling.
Since we have to use lead free shot on coyotes we use12g/cc, 15g/cc or 18gr/cc shot. Steel and Bismuth shot won't work very good at all on coyotes.
Is there another pic in that sequence Bob?
derbyacresbob
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From the Hodgdon Reloading Data Center for 12ga 2/3/4" Federal Gold Medal 1-1/2 oz lead loads.
I would not load the 11,400 psi load or the 11,500 psi load. 11,500 psi is a MAX load.
I have always heard that Longshot powder can really spike up in pressure compared to Blue Dot or Steel powder. The only Longshot loads I have loaded were 1 oz of steel shot for hunting Dove.
| Manufacturer | Powder | Primer | Wad | Grs. | Pressure (PSI) | Vel. (ft/s) | |||
| Hodgdon | Longshot | Win. 209 | Fed. 12S4 | 26.8 | 10,200 | 1,205 | |||
| Hodgdon | Longshot | Win. 209 | Fed. 12S4 | 28 | 11,400 | 1,260 | |||
| Hodgdon | Longshot | Win. 209 | WAA12R | 27.2 | 9,000 | 1,205 | |||
| Hodgdon | Longshot | Win. 209 | WAA12R | 29.1 | 10,200 | 1,260 | |||
| Hodgdon | Longshot | Win. 209 | WAA12R | 31 | 11,500 | 1,315 |
I have always heard that Longshot powder can really spike up in pressure compared to Blue Dot or Steel powder. The only Longshot loads I have loaded were 1 oz of steel shot for hunting Dove.
Spurchaser
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If I was strictly a shotgun coyote hunter I’d invest in TSS. I shoot Apex 20ga 3” 1 5/8oz #9’s for turkeys and have killed coyotes dead on the spot with that load at 40 yards. I couldn’t imagine what 3” 12ga loads with maybe #2 or BB’s would do at 40yds and well beyond. I order about 3 boxes about every four months so I’ll never run out of turkey loads, lol.
I currently have all the supplies to try one of these !
derbyacresbob
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I took that picture just a little over 17 years ago. But I did locate the pictures.
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IMG_0255 by R, on Flickr[/URL]The above picture is the coyote headed for the rancher's son laying down close to my Foxpro FX5
IMG_0263 by https://www.flickr.com/photos/156463377@N08/, on FlickrThis is a picture of the ranchers son about to shoot.
IMG_0264 by Robert Morris, on FlickrYou can barley see the shotgun was just fired in the above picture.
IMG_0298 by Robert Morris, on FlickrIt was a great day that I will never forget. The young man an I got 6 coyotes that day on his first day of coyote calling.
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Utahcaller
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I get mine at saltcreekammo.com. #2’s 2oz. 1250fps 108 pellets. Kills them out to 70-80 yards.
I’ve shot the Apex too. It’s great stuff, just sells out to fast.
I’ve shot the Apex too. It’s great stuff, just sells out to fast.
doggin coyotes
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Which is why I started using a shotgun in the 1st place.
Will do .. thank you
derbyacresbob
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2 oz loads kick like a mule, they make it difficult to get off a second or third shot quickly and a 2 oz load will cost $1.50 to $2.00 more per shell to reload than what 1-1/2 oz loads of TSS cost to reload.
With 5 lbs of TSS shot you can load forty 2 oz loads or fifty three 1-1/2 oz loads. I-1/2 oz loads of TSS #3 or #4 shot are devastating on coyotes. If you are shooting coyotes at 70 yards and less you will get more clean kills with 124 TSS #4 shot pellets in a 1-1/2 load than you will get shooting 2 oz loads of TSS #2 shot with 81 pellets in a 2 oz load.
The TSS 1-1/2 oz #4 shot loads have 53% more pellets than 2 oz loads of TSS #2 shot, or 43 more pellets per shell
With my TSS #3 and TSS #4 shot loads I use a Mod choke, because TSS shot patterns very tight so I can have a wider pattern and have a very high pellet count in a 20" to 30" circle.
I have some 2-3/4" 1 oz loads of TSS #4 shot that I reloaded for small ladies or kids to shoot. They have about 82 pellets per shell and don't have much recoil. I would bet that the 1 oz loads of TSS #4 shot would give you more clean kills at 55 yards and less than Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote T shot loads with only 50 pellets per shell. or 41 pellet lead #4 buck 3" loads
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Bob
What would you say the effective range with 1 3/8 or 1 1/2 oz of TSS be? I’ve heard a lot of various opinions.
Utahcaller
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I haven’t really noticed that much difference in the recoil between the 1 1/2 oz. and 2oz. #2’s when shot at coyotes. The 24 extra pellets seem to extend the range about 20 yards. I do have some 1 1/2 oz. #3’s that work well too but again it shortens the effective range a bit. But the TSS is the ticket for sure.
Good Hunting Chad
Good Hunting Chad