winchester black talon info

I was not aware that the Black Talons were ever available as a reloading component. I have several rounds that I got from a State Trooper friend. I would not have any issues what soever shooting "my own" reloads. However, I NEVER shoot someone elses reloads. NEVER NEVER NEVER. There are some good posts in the reloading section on accidents. One just for safety reasons, two, not willing to trust my life to someones reloads. As far as "they said in the class not to", well that's just someone's opinion to me. Unless they expanded on why and it sounded intelligent to me I might consider it or not. If you shoot someone and end up in court, the lawyers are going to rake you regardless of the situation.
 
I remember reading somewhere the black talons had razor sharp edges and surgeons would cut their hands removing them in surgery. Don't remember where I read that. Could probly google it.
 
Quote:surgeons would cut their hands removing them in surgery...Most surgeons and doctors use forceps for removing foreign object from people...
 
You don't want to be on the receiving end of one of these. They ain't no joke. Absolutely deadly...........

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Due to the uproar over the name, Winchester dropped the "Black Talon" designation and I think it's the same bullet as the STX that replaced it.. Winchester doesn't seem to offer it anymore either...

I've been hanging onto a box of the BTs for my .44 Mag, 9mm, and .357 Mag, since they first came out...
 
Don't use any Winchester components for reloading except for the brass on occasion, so by not paying attention I've never heard of black talons, but from what 2muchgun posted....

YIKES!

Would not wanna be on the bad end of that.
 
Quote:1. How long is powder "good" for after rounds have been reloaded. They have been kept in an old Army ammo box in a climate controlled shop.


I'm still shooting my way through a stockpile of 7.62 NATO ammo that was loaded in 1969, and it hasn't been stored in any kind of climate controlled environment. It shoots fairly good still, and zero duds or unusual experiences (it cycles my H-K every time).

So a LONG time.
 
Thanks for all the information guys! I pick up my new .45 tonight so I will let you know how it shoots over the weekend! This has been the longest week of my life waiting on this gun to come in!
 
Mark, as I understand CO law, if it is determined to be a justifiable shooting, any subsequent civil action is barred.

I'll do some research on this to be certain; however, I think I remember when the law was passed.
 
[/quote] Couldnt a good lawyer raise the same type of scenario? [/quote]

Is that one of those oxymorons?

The first trip I made to Front Sight, one of the lectures on use of deadly force included a comment that in the event you are forced to shoot someone, you should file a civil suit against their family immediately to nip it in the bud. As horrible as that sounds, think about it. If you defend the lives of your family, your lier...oops, I meant lawyer is going to own your life savings. If you should get out of that one, now you have to worry about the dirtbags family looking to get rich so now the lawyer gets your house and kids college fund.
 
If I were EVER to shoot someone I. Self defense or for any other reason I guarantee they would not have a chance to get an attorney to dispute the ammo used on them weather it be factory or reloaded ammo. If I fell threatened in any way or if my worse yet if I feel like my kids and family is in danger the trigger will be pulled and sights will remain on target till the threat is terminated or the gun just goes "click"
 
Originally Posted By: TwoDogs Couldnt a good lawyer raise the same type of scenario? [/quote]

Is that one of those oxymorons?

The first trip I made to Front Sight, one of the lectures on use of deadly force included a comment that in the event you are forced to shoot someone, you should file a civil suit against their family immediately to nip it in the bud. As horrible as that sounds, think about it. If you defend the lives of your family, your lier...oops, I meant lawyer is going to own your life savings. If you should get out of that one, now you have to worry about the dirtbags family looking to get rich so now the lawyer gets your house and kids college fund. [/quote]

Did they reccommend using store bought ammo only? I think that is where this discussion was headed. As Claimbuster mentiond, a justifiable shooting is just that. But wether or not a Lawyer could use reloaded ammo against you,vs the deadliest Store bought ammo was my concern. In a trial the Jackals "lawyers" will try to eat you. Im just thinking that the theory can go both ways. Store bought, or reloaded.
 
Nothing wrong with the black talons at all. I prefer gold dots personally, however the talons will do the job well.
There was an FBI study that came out in the early 90's that criticized the talons ability to punch glass (in particular windsheild and car window), the gold dots were found to do quite a bit better. However on non-glass targets the talons and the gold dots were pretty much neck and neck.
 
I've seen it suggested that you should try to carry the same ammo as your local LEO's. If it ever comes up in civil court, the argument kinda flies out the window. If it's good enough for them to use..... Sadly, last time I checked the locals here were using Federal Hydra-Shoks, which aren't impressive to me. I have Federal HST's, Win Rangers and even some PMC StarFires.
 
I don't know that there is actually a "safe" way to make sure youre not going to get canned in a self defense scenario, but if I'm not mistaken, the only way you have a good chance of not going to do time or get sued is if the person is acutally in your house? NOW, does that person that broke into your house or whatever have to be armed or is it the fact that they are in your house that makes it "more acceptable"
 
Originally Posted By: lampy NOW, does that person that broke into your house or whatever have to be armed or is it the fact that they are in your house that makes it "more acceptable"

I don't know how it is where your at but in Colorado the "make my day law" gives the homeowner the right to use deadly force on an intruder wether they are armed or not. The law is very clear on that, " more acceptable" doesn't come into play.

There was a recent change in the law extending the boundary past your dwelling but I can't recall it right now. I do believe a case in the Denver area changed the law. A person was attempting to break into a home with a 4x4 and was shot thru the door. Claimbuster might have more info on that. That also might have been the same case that limited civil suits against homeowners who use deadly force in protecting their property. One or the other, can't remember.

We just had a case like this two days ago here in town. Intruder was shot in the head while climbing thru a window. Their thinking he's an organ donor at best right now.

 
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