Newpond0
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if the wind was still the same would you do the same setup again? Change the calls completely or even go with the same calls again? I assumed those spots were toast that I called earlier for a month+
Time on stand?
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Did you call anything in? I wouldn't use the same sound or set up in the exact same spot if you called one in and it got away in that spot. If you called one in and killed it you could call that same spot again, in the exact same spot, using the same calls. I have killed multiple coyotes in a season by setting in the same spot every few weeks and trying. But you have to kill everything that comes in. Once one gets away it's a lot harder to do that.
limbhanger10
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If we know they are there and our approach was and exit were "flawless"....and we get no response or visual- it's just timing.
We'll usually throw something different call wise and try to set up in a different location.
Like I've said before...I don't throw everything I got to get a response for 15 minutes or a half hour and throw my hands up and say they aren't here.
Maybe I'm not aggressive calling wise for the most part....but I approach coyote hunting here like a combination of spring gobbler hunting and bowhunting a mature buck.
My opinion, for what it's worth is if the spot is hot, why not. There's a reason why certain areas ALWAYS hold coyotes- the number one is food.
Other locations we have are "natural' corridors with farms that have core coyote activity.
The key here is killing all you call in.
If we call in a pair and kill them, they will be replaced either by a transient or another pair generally within a week or so.
.....there's spots we can hit once a week and kill every week.
No different then last week not having a single response on one side of property and a solo silent female shows up 45 minutes into stand.
I go to other side and have 5 groups answer of which 3 where in same block that I'm sure heard me.
Due to ice(noise) and snow(just below knees) conditions I was basically limited on setup location. The first location i could walk across ice on snow ans was very quiet. ....other side of property i couldn't. I called in a solo that a truck coming down road spooked the first half hour..then 2 hours later had a pair come in and only killed the female. I watched the male for an hour go back and forth in the treeline and just couldn't get a good shot on him but was more intrigued by watching and listening to his reaction. He made sounds I've never heard before.
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back 2 nights later and had 3 groups answer but conditions were worse and immediately backed out.
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Utahcaller
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Hey tawnoper,
How have you been? You still getting after them in Nevada? Seems like the older I get the closer to home I sty to hunt Coyotes anymore.
hunt0168
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Northeast guy here, so it isn't often that I get a chance to see a coyote coming from the next county. It's a treat when you get a vocal response, as most show up silently. Stands can be anywhere from 15 minutes to a couple hours depending on what I hear, see or just feel. If I kill quickly during the breeding season I will call it quits and move on. I figure I just called and killed the territorial coyotes. Early season I'm more apt to keep calling after a kill to see if I can pull in more young of the year coyotes. But in the later part of the season (breeding) if nothing shows quickly I will spend quite a bit of time on stand. Keeping quiet is a pretty common tactic for me. Many show up long after the last sounds have been played.
tawnoper
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Hey Utahcaller.
Every so often. Not nearly as much as before. Yup, same here, getting older. No way I could hunt as hard as I used to. I’d need to sleep for a week to recover. Hope all is well.
wolverines
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I've shortened my stand length to about 25 minutes. I used to hunt longer with very little to show for it. Now that I'm getting more ground to hunt, I feel like I'm just wasting time staying any longer. I'd estimate in the last 3 years of calling in MI (this is since I went to all thermal), when I do get a call in it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 minutes or so. This has also affected my decision on how long to stay on stand.
I vowed to never get into coyote contests due to what tournaments did to me with bass fishing. It sucks the fun out of it and I don't want to have that happen with coyote hunting. I just finally in the past few years have gotten to where I can just go out fishing and have a good time. I'm enjoying what I'm doing with coyote hunting and I won't risk ruining it.
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wolverines
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I'm a pretty strict wait 4 weeks or more to hit a spot again. I've often thought about how you approach it, but then I always wonder about the ones that can hear the call but didn't come in. I just really don't want to burn up my spots.
wolverines
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This is burning me in a spot this year. Called in a pair. Got one down and the other one got away after several misses running. Landowner gets quite a few pics of a coyote on his cam. I've been back there twice since and no response. Can't prove it, but I feel like that coyote is the one I missed and he ain't coming in to the call
The best case scenario is you missed during a time of year when you can change sounds up and get it to respond. If I miss one early on in the year I bank on calling it in during breeding season with a whole new sequence of sounds. Sometimes not even that. I've completely changed locations after only two weeks and switched from one rabbit sound to another and called up and killed the partner to the coyote I shot two weeks prior to that.This is burning me in a spot this year. Called in a pair. Got one down and the other one got away after several misses running. Landowner gets quite a few pics of a coyote on his cam. I've been back there twice since and no response. Can't prove it, but I feel like that coyote is the one I missed and he ain't coming in to the call
A lot of times if they are suspicious of the call they sit out there and bark and yip to let you know you ain't foolin anyone. When that happens it's best to just pack up and go somewhere else. I bet that coyote you were after just wasn't within ear shot of the call.
bohunr
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we dont shoot runners. we shoot those that trot if they are close but we have found out if you miss a runner, its extremely hard to get them to come in. if you let the runners run, sometimes they can be convinced to come back and look for the dead one.
i did that, i had 3 come in, i killed one the other two ran. a few days later i called in 2 and killed one, one ran off. i went back and found out there were two more there but the wind shifted. this was in the fall, in a vineyard, they had good cover.
i did that, i had 3 come in, i killed one the other two ran. a few days later i called in 2 and killed one, one ran off. i went back and found out there were two more there but the wind shifted. this was in the fall, in a vineyard, they had good cover.
To avoid not killing them all, we DO NOT shoot at moving targets. Maybe if I lived in Texas or somewhere with way more targets but around here your an idiot if your shooting at them running away. You pretty much are Garunteeing you are going to chase them out of that area and good luck getting them to come back in. I have killed singles out of a pair and went back and killed the mate the next night… not all the time like it’s a for sure thing, but enough to believe it’s feasible.
Don’t shoot running coyotes. None of us should be doing this ever….
Don’t shoot running coyotes. None of us should be doing this ever….
varminter .223
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Utahcaller
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Yeah that’s like me. I get out there a few times each year but seems like a lot of work anymore. And the recovery time is worse.I have been getting more of the local population of coyotes though. And they just increased the bounty here to $100 so it pays for the gas. Hope all is well with you too.
Oh and in response to the original posters question 10-15 minutes is my norm, unless I’m working a Coyote in then I’ll stay alittle longer.
K22-hornet
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20-25 minutes per stand, depending on wind speeds.
My handcalling sequence is 15-20 seconds of sound, then I'm quiet for 3-5 minutes, then repeat.
Most of my coyotes come in on the 3rd sequence, so around the 15 minute mark.
I primarily hunt public lands, and know that others are out there coyote hunting as well, so I give it a bit more time, especially this time of year.
My handcalling sequence is 15-20 seconds of sound, then I'm quiet for 3-5 minutes, then repeat.
Most of my coyotes come in on the 3rd sequence, so around the 15 minute mark.
I primarily hunt public lands, and know that others are out there coyote hunting as well, so I give it a bit more time, especially this time of year.
Samsquanch
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I rarely night hunt anymore. Maybe 2-3 times in the last several years. With that being said, I find that 12-15 minutes on stand is the norm unless I'm fairly certain a bob may show himself in which case I may sit for a half hour. I am fairly convinced that most dogs and cats for that matter will likely show within the first 7-8 minutes of a stand. It may take longer for me to spot a bob than he's been sitting there studying the noise. A lot of my stands also overlap. Meaning, after picking up from a stand, I may not travel to a complete new area, I may just move far enough that my sound will cover new country as well as an edge of the country I just called. This distance may be several hundred yards or a mile depending on wind and terrain. I guess I should mention that the 12-15 minutes I said I spend on stand refer to the amount of time I am generating noise. I usually like to sit for 5 minutes or so after I cut the sound to see if anything is straggling in. During the few competitions I took part in before CO put the kabosh on them, I used this same strategy. It always worked for me outside of a competitive scenario so why fix what isn't broke? I have spent longer on stands but I feel the timelines I use now have averaged out for me pretty good. I do know some guys and have read here that they will spend 45 minutes to an hour on stand. I personally think that when you are successful calling a coyote in at that length of time, he happened to be traveling and came across your sound. He probably didn't have any idea you were calling for the first 45 minutes and when he finally topped a ridge and heard it, made a beeline for you. I could be wrong (been known to be true most days ) but that is my take on it.
) but that is my take on it.K22-hornet
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It appears there is no "one-size-fits-all" when it comes to hunting coyotes, lol.
BBK
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The only thing we all do the same is shoot em!
Rarely, if ever look at a stand timer for either time between sounds or time on stand. On a dry stand I stay long enough to hit their current triggers and on a productive stand just adapt to whatever transpires. The later in the calling season the more triggers, so naturally stands get longer. Don't keep track of when coyotes respond but shoot enough late in the stand to make staying worthwhile.