The perfect bullet

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A runner is a spinner that didn't spin.




I guess a DRT is a runner that didn't run, or a spinner that didn't spin. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Glad I could help you make your point. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif
 
I really like the Black Hills 60 v-max bullets. I had switched over to the Hornady TAP (Red Box, not Black) in 60 grain with the V-Max, but after seeing some massive carnage in coyotes, and a fox, I am dropping away from it and going back to the Black Hills stuff. I am not sure why this stuff is so different, but I didn't have the problem with the BH ammo that I am having with the TAP.

On a side note, I am proud to announce that I have found some 45 grain soft points for my .204, so the light saber may be brought out of retirement. (I never had a problem with splashs from it, but I didn't like some of the results I was finding. Seems like I was "barely" killing some of the critters, even with perfect shot placement.)
 
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A runner is a spinner that didn't spin.




I guess a DRT is a runner that didn't run, or a spinner that didn't spin. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Glad I could help you make your point. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif



Or, on the flip side, a Runner is a DRT critter that didn't die... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Seems we are gaining ground on the use of the .17rem /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
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A runner is a spinner that didn't spin.




I guess a DRT is a runner that didn't run, or a spinner that didn't spin. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Glad I could help you make your point. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif



Or, on the flip side, a Runner is a DRT critter that didn't die... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Seems we are gaining ground on the use of the .17rem /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif




/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif You two are kill'en me /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Later fellas,

Scott
 
Randy,

That coyote by the way was NOT shot with a 60 v-max. It was shot with a 55 sp. None of the shots splashed and most went clean through. It was a mess for sure but I used that footage to make a point. Coyotes can be tough as hell sometimes and even with good shots, good caliber, good bullets they will still run. I can also say with ceraintly that since I began using the 60 v-max's I ceratainly experience fewer spinners and runners. Most in fact are DRT eve when shot on the shoulder or at odd angles. You should give them a try.

I could care less what guys shoot but for me I don't strive for the smallest, fastest. I strive for the most effecient. You can argue all you want for the 17 and thats great. I started this thread because of several other post where the question was asked about loads in a 223. I felt I had some pretty credible information and fist hand observatons to share and did so. Maybe you can go start a 17 thread and see how many knee jerkers you get from the 223 crowd. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

The 17 no doubt has sort of a cult following but I think it would be safe to say there are just about as many people that have tried it and didn't like it for the same reason I don't. The 223 is even a marginal caliber in my mind when you get past 200 yards. Sure it will kill them further but if my shots were routinely that far I would step it up a notch, probably to a 243. My first concern in killing him with any reasonable shot and killing him fast. I have no use for a caliber or bullet that won't routinely punch through a coyotes shoulder bone from any reasonable angle and stl get to the goody in the middle.

Byron
 
Byron,

I was just razzing ya a bit. All in good fun!

Your information was spot on. Exactly right. Too many folks go for speed and explosive bullets and have terrible results. The information you provided was perfect and will help a great many people.

I just couldn't let a chance to step up when the .17 rem was mentioned. After all, it's the perfect caliber.

Randy

PS. For what it's worth, Randy Watson must shoot similar loads to what you are describing. When he's shot critters I've been very impressed with his DRT loads and lack of fur damage.
 
the problem I have had with the 60 vmax is hoe hum accuracy and every .22 cal I have shot it in, from 2 different 223's to a 22-250, all of these rifles aren't particulary finacky.

However if you wanna push the 60 grn vmax to the stratosphere get some milsurp m855 ball ammo the stuff with the green penetrator tip, pull the bullets and stick a 60 vmax in its place, I was getting well over 3250fps by doing this in my 24" CZ
 
Has anyone figured out/heard a good way to test loads, without shooting an actual coyote, and dial them in to not exit? The old-timer at our local shop said he shoots a small orange juice bottle filled with water in front of a paper target and checks to see if there is a hole in it. I'm wondering if this could be taken a step further and shooting, say, a milk jug or a truck inner tube filled with water to see the performance. If anyone has any suggestions for simulating skin/innards/skin without breaking the bank, please let me know.
 
Steve,

I've had exactly the opposite results with the 60gr VMax. Accuracy being nothing less than GREAT.

In the several bolt guns and Bushmasters I've shot them in I've seen accuracy as good as any other hunting or varmint bullet.

In a 22-250 I would expect problems though if you shoot one with a 1:14" twist since that twist isn't really fast enough to stabilize a 60gr bullet very well.

I'd recommend a 1:10" or 1:9" twist for a 60gr VMax.

$bob$
 
Want to say thanks for the post, for someone that is just learning about the .223 cal this was a great bit of info and i greatly apprecate it .

Thanks !
 
I shoot the 55 gr. vmax moly in a .22-250 loaded at 3350 fps. They shoot to the same spot as the 55 nosler bts but seem to be a lot better fur bullet than the nosler. I get very few critters that do not drop in their tracks with the vmax and hardly ever get an exit. I do get an exit with noslers and have had them blow up on bone with a lot of fur damage.
 
How ya been Byron? I haven't been on here in a long time, hope I'm qualified to put my two cents worth in. I also live here in "western nirvana" and have only shot 22 coyotes so far this year, haven't been out that much. As far as bullets go I haven't tryed the 60 v-max, since one of our .223s has a 1 in 12 twist and I'm not sure it would stabalize it, but I've had great results with the 55 Sierra gameking and haven't had a need to try anything else. I've seen some pretty nasty messes made with 22-250s and v-maxs. The only exception to my not liking the plastic tipped bullets for coyotes, is I love the 75 out of my .243, man what a killer and flat shootin and accurate. Be sure you shout at me if you're out this way.
 
I also shoot 60 grain v-max Black Hills blue box.I was using the 50 grain v-max out of my 1 in 8 twist RR and had a few splashes,so i bumped up to the 60 and have not had any problems to date,most are grave yard dead when shot.
 
Thanks Byron for the info!! I have not shot a Coyote with the 60V-Max yet, but my RRA Var. 24" loves them, shooting 5 shot groups under 1/2" very consistantly.
 
I just loaded up some 87 gr. V-Max for my .243 and was wondering if any of you have ever used this load?

Also loaded up a box of 85 gr. Sierra BTHP, could any of you tell me which would be best on Coyotes?
 
Wow, 8 year old post resurrection...

It was interesting to see how many guys in that post aren't here anymore though
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Originally Posted By: coleridgeWow, 8 year old post resurrection...

It was interesting to see how many guys in that post aren't here anymore though
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Somebody used the search feature.

The search feature police would be proud.
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