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weekender said:
It will go through them, but you will have runners, lots of runners. I am sure they die, but I this thick mess we hunt in NC/SC, I like 53 gr VMAX. I get more DRT. I use the Barnes TTSX for deer and hogs and it kills them. I lose coyotes with them.
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not good news for the Barnes TSX, I'll pick up a box of 53gr Vmax when I run across it, Bohunr suggested 53gr Vmax as well
 
weekender said:
It will go through them, but you will have runners, lots of runners. I am sure they die, but I this thick mess we hunt in NC/SC, I like 53 gr VMAX. I get more DRT. I use the Barnes TTSX for deer and hogs and it kills them. I lose coyotes with them.
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Have never used them but agree w/weekender. The copper bullets are built to penetrate and I think they would pencil right through a coyote. Any 55 gr (or so) bullet would be better in the 223 IMO. The NBT's are more expensive, but they work. Lots of folks using the VMAX and some using Sierras. I gad great performance from 87 gr. Hornady bullets in the 243.
 
hm1996 said:
Have never used them but agree w/weekender. The copper bullets are built to penetrate and I think they would pencil right through a coyote. Any 55 gr (or so) bullet would be better in the 223 IMO. The NBT's are more expensive, but they work. Lots of folks using the VMAX and some using Sierras. I gad great performance from 87 gr. Hornady bullets in the 243.
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I used to have the same train of thought about coyote hunting with solid bullets. Then I started losing them or having them run a country mile. Weekender, who has been at this game a lot longer than I have explained to me that I needed to switch to a bullet that was designed for rapid fragmentation for coyotes. I tried a few different bullets and I ended up being very pleased with the 55gr norma's. I don't know if it's a bullet that they make or if it's a vmax, but it gets the job done in the 223.
 
I shoot Federal Fusion 62gr .223. I have not had but a very few runners that we did not find since I switched from Hornady 55gr to the federals.
Most are DRT or drop within a few yards.
 
hm1996 said:
I would switch to heavier bullet. The 55 gr. NBT was my favorite bullet in the AR. Gets the job done for me.
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haven't been able to find any Nosler NBT 55gr local however, I ordered a box this morning along with a box of Federal 53gr. Vmax. I hate not putting them down quickly, thx!
 
bohunr said:
i use an AR with a 20 inch wilson combat super sniper barrel in .223 wylde. i use federal factory 53 grain v-max, when i do my part it shoots 1/2 inch groups at 200 yards off the bench. only ever had one run off, the rest dropped right there or ran a little ways. i would think 40 grain is kind of light, depending on your rate of twist.

wilson recommends the following

  • .223 Remington/5.56mm NATO

    1-7: Match or hunting bullets in the 68gr – 80gr range

    1-8: Match or hunting bullets in the 50gr – 77gr range (best all around choice)

    1-9: Match or hunting bullets in the 45gr – 69gr range
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haven't been able to find any Nosler NBT 55gr local however, I ordered a box this morning along with a box of Federal 53gr. Vmax. I hate not putting them down quickly, thx!
 
I think I only lost one coyote when I was shooting bonded bullets. I was hitting them in the shoulder mostly. The one I never recovered I shot in the butt. Had one get thumped in the shoulder and it turned slowly in circles as if it were dancing on its tippy toes. He ran a little ways before piling up. Had another one jump and act as though it wasn't hit. She walked a short way and fell over. I also shot one in Texas with that bullet that spun after being shot and so I shot it twice. Probably didn't need to but I did.

I killed a bobcat and a red fox with the Nosler 55gr. E-Tip as well. They didn't go anywhere and zero fur damage. I like trying out different bullets. I'd shoot a few with the Barnes TSX just to form an opinion. If you're a shoulder shooter that probably wouldn't be a bad bullet to use. Use everything you have as far as that goes. You'll never know what those bullets will do unless you see them hit a coyote or three.
 
OKRattler said:
I think I only lost one coyote when I was shooting bonded bullets. I was hitting them in the shoulder mostly. The one I never recovered I shot in the butt. Had one get thumped in the shoulder and it turned slowly in circles as if it were dancing on its tippy toes. He ran a little ways before piling up. Had another one jump and act as though it wasn't hit. She walked a short way and fell over. I also shot one in Texas with that bullet that spun after being shot and so I shot it twice. Probably didn't need to but I did.

I killed a bobcat and a red fox with the Nosler 55gr. E-Tip as well. They didn't go anywhere and zero fur damage. I like trying out different bullets. I'd shoot a few with the Barnes TSX just to form an opinion. If you're a shoulder shooter that probably wouldn't be a bad bullet to use. Use everything you have as far as that goes. You'll never know what those bullets will do unless you see them hit a coyote or three.
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when I went in the store the other day the Barnes was available and on clearance, they didn't have the Nosler and Federal's. I bought a couple boxes of Barnes knowing I would have to re-zero and have some left to hunt with. My intent is as you say, run the Barnes long enough to get a good read on their performance, and shoot those puppies up. At some point when the Nosler and Federal's come in I'll make a trip to the range and see where they zero and how they group, make notes of their X&Y coordinates and then throw them in the mix at some point. The way I shoot I would be more inclined to err on a shoulder shot than a gut shot. That Barnes sure put a whooping on that one last night. :)
 
Killed quite a few with 223 and 53 grain Vmax,also had some runners but usually found them .farthest one was probably 75 yards or so when it finally died.Runners stopped pretty much when I went back to my 243
 
Hunter55 said:
when I went in the store the other day the Barnes was available and on clearance, they didn't have the Nosler and Federal's. I bought a couple boxes of Barnes knowing I would have to re-zero and have some left to hunt with. My intent is as you say, run the Barnes long enough to get a good read on their performance, and shoot those puppies up. At some point when the Nosler and Federal's come in I'll make a trip to the range and see where they zero and how they group, make notes of their X&Y coordinates and then throw them in the mix at some point. The way I shoot I would be more inclined to err on a shoulder shot than a gut shot. That Barnes sure put a whooping on that one last nigh
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most thermal scopes allow you to zero more than one gun with the same scope. my bering super yoter has settings for that, they are marked G1, G2, etc.. for Gun 1, Gun 2, etc...

sight in with different loads if you want and then just switch to that setting in the scope when you change ammo.
 
bohunr said:
most thermal scopes allow you to zero more than one gun with the same scope. my bering super yoter has settings for that, they are marked G1, G2, etc.. for Gun 1, Gun 2, etc...

sight in with different loads if you want and then just switch to that setting in the scope when you change ammo.
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my scope is the same way however, I have 2 of the profiles saved for my 204's. I need to get the manual out and see just how many I can save with this scope. My old scope I could save 5 if memory serves correctly...memory LOL
 
The old school bullets are still the best for killing coyotes. Lead soft point. I have shot hundreds with alot of different bullets when I was younger. Came full swing back to the soft points. I am shooting a 223 thou.

Oops I just looked an no one is making soft points for the 204 any more. Which tells me it’s being used mostly for small varmint shooting.
 
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