Sig Sauer Cross Trax

Austin Laughlin

Austin Laughlin

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Looking at building an Sig Cross Trax. I seen they just recently released the 243 in their lineup, I’m going to give it the Ackley treatment.

Anyone use this rifle? Reviews? Concerns? I appreciate any and all info.
 
Austin Laughlin said:
Looking at building an Sig Cross Trax. I seen they just recently released the 243 in their lineup, I’m going to give it the Ackley treatment.

Anyone use this rifle? Reviews? Concerns? I appreciate any and all info.
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Why not 6cm? That's the part that made zero sense. I gave up trying to find the twist rate on the announcement page, but if it isn't 1-8 or better, for this particular lightweight folding rifle, they really missed the ball.
 
Hecouldgoalltheway said:
Why not 6cm? That's the part that made zero sense. I gave up trying to find the twist rate on the announcement page, but if it isn't 1-8 or better, for this particular lightweight folding rifle, they really missed the ball.
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I’d rather have the 243

If it’s a 1:8, Im going to rebarrel to a 1:10 anyway.
 
Hecouldgoalltheway said:
Why not 6cm? That's the part that made zero sense. I gave up trying to find the twist rate on the announcement page, but if it isn't 1-8 or better, for this particular lightweight folding rifle, they really missed the ball.
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It's not designed to be a coyote rifle. It's a 5.5lb folder with a short barrel. It's designed to carry up a mountain tied to a backpack. A .243 is a fine cartridge, it does exactly the same thing as a 6cm until you want to shoot high BC bullets, then it doesn't. It is superior, simply by that fact. Also, the available factory ammo offerings for big game or match shooting are greatly tilted to the 6cm. It does everything the .243 does, and more.
 
Hecouldgoalltheway said:
It's not designed to be a coyote rifle. It's a 5.5lb folder with a short barrel. It's designed to carry up a mountain tied to a backpack. A .243 is a fine cartridge, it does exactly the same thing as a 6cm until you want to shoot high BC bullets, then it doesn't. It is superior, simply by that fact. Also, the available factory ammo offerings for big game or match shooting are greatly tilted to the 6cm. It does everything the .243 does, and more.
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You can build a 243 to shoot the same bullets bud. The 243 does and has been doing the same thing the creedmoor does, since way before its time. It’s no “revolutionary” cartridge.

If it works for you, more power to you. I didn’t ask what you think the rifle is built for, nor what your opinion is on the 243. Unless you want to fork up the bill, I’ll probably build this rifle to my liking.

I simply asked what people’s reviews are that have shot the rifle.
 
No experience with the Trax but I bought my wife a regular sig cross in 6.5 creedmoor and rebarreled it to a 20 inch 22 creedmoor. Was an easy rebarrel and it’s been a nice set up for her.

I thought about chopping some of the hand guard off but I’d imagine I can just buy a trax hand guard now. The weights not bad though and helps with recoil management, which is why I switched her to the 22 creedmoor. She would prefer if it was lighter but I’m perfectly content carrying 15lb rifle around haha.

I like it for the folding stock but I also noticed it loosen up once and have a bit of wiggle into it. I’d imagine the trax is tightened down the same way. Regardless, it’s a pretty accurate and easy platform for her. Had her shooting out to 980yards this past fall. So far she’s killed her second mule deer at 150 ish yards and her 1st coyote at 350 yards with the new build.

The bolt throw is decent enough but not silky smooth. The bolt is weird and unlike any other bolt I’ve ever taken apart. At first I didn’t like it for finding the lands with the JAM method. I figured out where jam was regardless.

It looks like the trax is the same Sigcross action and so is the bolt. Unless I missed something.

If I had to choose to buy the gun again today, this is what I would consider. Number one, is my kid or wife going to shoot it enough. If they are, the adjustability of the stock made the gun worth it for me.

If it was only going to be me shooting it, then I would buy something else like a Seekins or build off a tikka action. I have a Seekins PH2 and love it. The new PH3’s are going to be even better and can be had with a folding stock. Plus the rebarrel will be cheap thru Seekins ($550ish the last time I checked). Or I would put a tikka in a XLR or KRG chassis and get the option of a folding chassis with them. Might be a little more expensive though.

Just saw the SIG 243 is being offered with a 1:9 twist. Tikka makes a 1:8 twist 243. Not sure what bullets you were wanting to shoot though.
 
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Austin Laughlin said:
You can build a 243 to shoot the same bullets bud. The 243 does and has been doing the same thing the creedmoor does, since way before its time. It’s no “revolutionary” cartridge.

If it works for you, more power to you. I didn’t ask what you think the rifle is built for, nor what your opinion is on the 243. Unless you want to fork up the bill, I’ll probably build this rifle to my liking.

I simply asked what people’s reviews are that have shot the rifle.
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You're making strawman arguements because you won't let facts get in the way of your feelings. I never called the 6cm revolutionary, but it is an improvement over the .243. They have an identical H2O volume for powder. They have identical velocities for all grain weights..... until you hit 100gr, then it's game over for the .243 with a 10 twist or slower. I can and have shot 115gr Dtacs in my 6cm. I regularly shoot 105gr, 108gr, and 112gr bullets. The .243 can't do that. It isn't capable unless you get a barrel that isn't Sammi spec, then it could do what a 6cm can do, but you'll have to handload, because there is zero factory ammo made for .243 with high bc bullets. As far as reviews, they released it Thursday, nobody has ever seen one.
 
Duhhh said:
No experience with the Trax but I bought my wife a regular sig cross in 6.5 creedmoor and rebarreled it to a 20 inch 22 creedmoor. Was an easy rebarrel and it’s been a nice set up for her.

I thought about chopping some of the hand guard off but I’d imagine I can just buy a trax hand guard now. The weights not bad though and helps with recoil management, which is why I switched her to the 22 creedmoor.

I like it for the folding stock but I also noticed it loosen up once and have a bit of wiggle into it. I’d imagine the trax is tightened down the same way. Regardless, it’s a pretty accurate and easy platform for her. Had her shooting out to 980yards this past fall. So far she’s killed her second mule deer at 150 ish yards and her 1st coyote at 350 yards.

The bolt throw is decent enough but not silky smooth. The bolt is weird and unlike any other bolt I’ve ever taken apart. At first I didn’t like it for finding the lands with the JAM method. I figured out where jam was regardless.

If I had to choose to buy the gun again today, this is what I would consider. Number one, is my kid or wife going to shoot it enough. If they are, the adjustability of the stock made the gun worth it for me.

If it was only going to be me shooting it, then I would buy something else like a Seekins or build off a tikka action. I have a Seekins PH2 and love it. The new PH3’s are going to be even better and can be had with a folding stock. Plus the rebarrel will be cheap thru Seekins ($550ish the last time I checked). Or I would put a tikka in a XLR or KRG chassis and get the option of a folding chassis with them. Might be a little more expensive though.

Just saw the SIG 243 is being offered with a 1:9 twist. Tikka makes a 1:8 twist 243. Not sure what bullets you were wanting to shoot though.
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Sounds like it worked alright. I’m building this rifle for a specific purpose, a couple really. One being for my wife, she liked it as well. I’m going to rebarrel it regardless, 22” 243 Ackley plus a can.

Bullet and twist wise it’ll be a 1:10. If I can get it to shoot the 55s that’d be great, same barrel and chambering in another rifle I’ve got shoots .5 with them so I’m hopeful. 80s would be as heavy as I’d go with it, again, same barrel and chambering in another rifle works well.

I’m happy to hear the accuracy statement, it sounds like it’ll work out by everything I’ve read. Congrats to your wife on the long bombs! That’s awesome!
 
Austin Laughlin said:
Sounds like it worked alright. I’m building this rifle for a specific purpose, a couple really. One being for my wife, she liked it as well. I’m going to rebarrel it regardless, 22” 243 Ackley plus a can.

Bullet and twist wise it’ll be a 1:10. If I can get it to shoot the 55s that’d be great, same barrel and chambering in another rifle I’ve got shoots .5 with them so I’m hopeful. 80s would be as heavy as I’d go with it, again, same barrel and chambering in another rifle works well.

I’m happy to hear the accuracy statement, it sounds like it’ll work out by everything I’ve read. Congrats to your wife on the long bombs! That’s awesome!
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It took me a while to sell the 6.5 CM barrel. It was basically new and I got $125 for it. Be interested to see or hear if the trax barrel is the same as the regular cross. I may be mistaken but I think the 16inches is too short to try and Ackley. I’ve never done it but hear you lost an inch or two having it set back.

Think my barrel and smith fees were around little over $700 for the 22 creed.
 
Hecouldgoalltheway said:
You're making strawman arguements because you won't let facts get in the way of your feelings. I never called the 6cm revolutionary, but it is an improvement over the .243. They have an identical H2O volume for powder. They have identical velocities for all grain weights..... until you hit 100gr, then it's game over for the .243 with a 10 twist or slower. I can and have shot 115gr Dtacs in my 6cm. I regularly shoot 105gr, 108gr, and 112gr bullets. The .243 can't do that. It isn't capable unless you get a barrel that isn't Sammi spec, then it could do what a 6cm can do, but you'll have to handload, because there is zero factory ammo made for .243 with high bc bullets. As far as reviews, they released it Thursday, nobody has ever seen one.
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Your ego is pushing opinionated statements, the only thing “in the way”, is your acceptance to being wrong because of your fanboy mentality.

The 243 absolutely can shoot the 105s, I’ve seen them built specifically for that reason and had zero issues.

You can build a 243 to shoot the heavy for caliber, and be within spec, and it’s “SAAMI”. If you’re going to try to sound intelligent by insulting someone else, at least be past kindergarten spelling. The 6cm was built for purpose, the heavy and sleek o-jived bullets, Hence the reason you can’t find the same for the 243. It’s amazing how that works.

Again, I know it’s difficult to put your ego aside and accept the fact that not everyone agrees with your thought process.. but if it works for you, great. Glad you like it. Really, I am. But I didn’t ask your opinion on the 243, nor what you think this rifles built for.
 
Duhhh said:
It took me a while to sell the 6.5 CM barrel. It was basically new and I got $125 for it. Be interested to see or hear if the trax barrel is the same as the regular cross. I may be mistaken but I think the 16inches is too short to try and Ackley. I’ve never done it but hear you lost an inch or two having it set back.

Think my barrel and smith fees were around little over $700 for the 22 creed.
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Yeah, it’ll be getting a rebarrel. 22” barrel plus my can. I’m pretty stoked for it.

Edit: the rifle we used, I noticed the same thing with the bolt. It felt off to me really but after awhile I didn’t mind it as much.
 
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Hecouldgoalltheway said:
I just realized that you're a kid.

Where is the ignore button?
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Please, keep up the fanboy mentality. I don’t have to convince anyone here, about your ignorance. You’ve got just enough intelligence to do that all by yourself.

“Kid” that’s amusing really. Considering the only way you’d “just realize” is you went to my profile and did some digging. You also assume my age. While at the same time, got your thong twisted in a wad because someone else didn’t agree with your ego based thought process. You’re doing it again, showing your intelligence I mean, clearly that makes me the “kid” here 😉
 
My goodness. If the man wants to buy a Ford instead of a Toyota, let him buy a Ford. It's his money.

A friend of mine has a regular Cross and loves it.

I'm defitnely not trying to get you to buy a Toyota, but like mentioned above.... Check out the new Seekins. I watched a video on it... seems pretty sweet.
 
I have ALWAYS been a big fan of the 243 and the 243 AI. I had a 6 CM built buy Douglas on a Sako action. Fast twist barrel for the heavies. LOL, it hated heavy bullets so I shot the same bullets i did in my 243. Didn't see a need for it so it went Adios. Still have the 243. My thoughts are, its Austins money and his business how he spends it. I've had several 6.5 man buns and a 6. Key word is "had".
 
I think all of you are confused here. I don't care what anyone buys with their money. You can't buy this rifle im 6cm, it's not an option. I'm talking about Sig's decision to chamber the rifle in .243 instead of 6cm. They did the same thing last year with the sawtooth model, by chambering it in 300 win mag instead of 300 prc. Ammo production alone makes these decisions really silly. There is currently 10x the ammo production for 6cm vs .243, and likewise 300prc vs 300 win mag. Same situation, modern chambering, exponentially more factory ammunition options, does everything the old cartridge does and more. I guess Austin didn't understand this either and took this real personal. I am not trying to sway anyone's opinion on anything, I couldn't care less. Just stating facts.
 
I pretty much knew the answer but I googled it anyway. What will a 6 CM do that a 243 can't? Every answer was more energy with a heavy long bullet. That's a no brainer. But.....how much velocity does it loose? That, IMO, is where the 243 shines, fast light bullets. And, if you are building a rifle with a custom barrel, you can get any twist you want. So now what would be the difference? The one I built had a 7.5 twist and hated the heavies. I still have a shelf full of them. Anything 100grains and lighter shot great but that wasn't what I built it for. Basically what I'm saying is you don't have to shoot long heavy bullets for long range, light bullets will work, you just have to know what your doing. Shooting a Creedmoor doesn't make you a long range shooter or Rambo contrary to popular belief.
 
William Suter said:
I pretty much knew the answer but I googled it anyway. What will a 6 CM do that a 243 can't? Every answer was more energy with a heavy long bullet. That's a no brainer. But.....how much velocity does it loose? That, IMO, is where the 243 shines, fast light bullets. And, if you are building a rifle with a custom barrel, you can get any twist you want. So now what would be the difference? The one I built had a 7.5 twist and hated the heavies. I still have a shelf full of them. Anything 100grains and lighter shot great but that wasn't what I built it for. Basically what I'm saying is you don't have to shoot long heavy bullets for long range, light bullets will work, you just have to know what your doing. Shooting a Creedmoor doesn't make you a long range shooter or Rambo contrary to popular belief.
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You have a strange axe to grind here. You and Austin keep making strawman arguements. The .243 and the 6cm are virtually identical in powder capacity. The benefit of the 6cm is that I can walk into any store in America and buy really good factory ammo. I have a .243 that I was killing coyotes with 35 years ago. I've shot out 3 different 6cm barrels. I'm not trying to debate which one you like better, I don't care. I'm talking about Sig's decision to chamber a new offering in a 70 year old cartridge that has very few factory ammo options in existence, and dwindling, over a nearly identical chambering that is probably the fastest growing cartridge in America with significant factory ammo availability and options, and a wider range of projectiles. I'm not sure how people keep taking what I'm saying as some sort of personal attack or something.
 
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