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Double S

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Does anybody know the secret to getting moly out of your barrel. I do…I think shooters quit using it because they thought it kept building up in your barrel . But there is a way to get it out . I haven’t been shooting for 15 years but I’m getting back into it and my old recipes still work and I’m still using moly . Anybody have any thoughts on this .. the reason I still use it is because I have the tumblers and lots of it.
 
Double S said:
Does anybody know the secret to getting moly out of your barrel. I do…I think shooters quit using it because they thought it kept building up in your barrel . But there is a way to get it out . I haven’t been shooting for 15 years but I’m getting back into it and my old recipes still work and I’m still using moly . Anybody have any thoughts on this .. the reason I still use it is because I have the tumblers and lots of it. And it works good for me .
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Double S said:
Does anybody know the secret to getting moly out of your barrel. I do…I think shooters quit using it because they thought it kept building up in your barrel . But there is a way to get it out . I haven’t been shooting for 15 years but I’m getting back into it and my old recipes still work and I’m still using moly . Anybody have any thoughts on this .. the reason I still use it is because I have the tumblers and lots of it. And it works good for me
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Never understood the purpose of using it. Maybe someone can enlighten me. I have been shooting a lot for many years and have NEVER had the need to use a moly coating on bullets.
 
What is the purpose? Not knocking it, genuinely want to know the reasoning or thought. Kinda left us with a cliffhanger Double S so I'll bite, how do you get it out of the barrel if a guy were to use it?
 
I'll play.....

I've been shooting moly since Neco came out with their patented process several decades ago, whether shooting point blank BR, Hunter BR, 600/1000 yard BR, prairie dogs, and any/everything else. There is no down side, it does not build up on itself or in the barrel, & you cannot see it in the barrel. The best and biggest benefit is being able to shoot longer w/o cleaning, and not losing any accuracy, which,surprise, is actually the purpose of Benchrest.

The patented process was impact plating the moly into the bullet's jacket with hardened S/S balls. I believe the naysayers of moly were the ones that were buying the cheaper alternatives to the Neco process, such as Ms Moly & the like, which were actually moly coating the bullets, not impact plating.

I have not used a brass brush for cleaning since I started shooting moly plated bullets many moons ago.

Bore Tech Eliminator, a nylon brush, JB, & Kroil, & I can clean a barrel in 10 minutes.

1st clean/cold round will generally print a hair low, then business as usual til I decide to clean again.

Moly will forever get a bad rap due to ignorance & mis-information.
 
I use the same process as Alf, but with HBN. Works good and things clean up nice and easy. HBN and moly are pretty good for bullets, just different ways of getting there.
 
I bought into Moly primarily because it was touted to increase barrel life, reduce fouling, increase velocity, and so forth. Since I was putting a LOT of rounds downrange, and since replacement barrels were costing somewhere in the $500+ range, sounded good to me.
Invested in the Neco setup and coated away.
It did reduce fouling
It reduced velocity due to less friction, requiring slight bump in powder charges to get same velocity as uncoated bullets.
Shot out a number of barrels and I still had to replace the barrel (30-06 & 308) around 7500 rounds with or without Moly.
Cleaning was probably a bit easier w/Moly, but I cleaned my rifles after each match whether 58 rd. NM coarse of fire or a regional match of 88 rounds.
I never had any trouble with the dreaded "moly ring", possibly because I cleaned after each match.
Some of my rifles did need a few "fouling" rounds before settling in after cleaning, but mostly affected hunting rifles, not my match rifles.
I finally stopped using moly; just didn't see the advantage for my use. YMMV
 
Ive played around with a bit of HBN in 223. I wanted to shoot it in my BHW poly twist barrel out of curiosity, the poly twist rifling does just about the same thing the dry lube does, stacked together and I had to move to faster and faster burning powders to fit in the case and I still ran out of case room before pressure issues, 53gr TSX/HBN, 26.9gr H322, 16" BHW 3330fps and its the most accurate load I have tested in that rifle.
 
I just used what ever cleaner i had on hand. It always came out easy. Got a gun back i shot moly in around 95/96...and never cleaned. It was just fine with no rust from the "moisture attracting" moly. Lol. A few brass brush passes and a couple of passes with some patches. Imo no harder to clean than powder fouling. I just remembered how big of a mess it was on my gun and hands.
 
Rock Knocker said:
Ive played around with a bit of HBN in 223. I wanted to shoot it in my BHW poly twist barrel out of curiosity, the poly twist rifling does just about the same thing the dry lube does, stacked together and I had to move to faster and faster burning powders to fit in the case and I still ran out of case room before pressure issues, 53gr TSX/HBN, 26.9gr H322, 16" BHW 3330fps and its the most accurate load I have tested in that rifle.
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You sure about all those numbers?

A 53 grain bullet at 3330 fps out of a 16 inch 223 Remington? That's nearly 150 fps faster than Hodgdon reloading data shows for a max load of H322 in a 24 inch barrel.
You can't get velocity without pressure. What are your pressure signs, "my rifle didn't explode"? I have many BHW barrels. They're great, but they're not magic.

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I met a member from 6mmbr to shoot it over his labradar, they found it hard to believe also, he checked the primers, barely even flattened.
 
I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm saying if all your numbers are correct, you're waaaaaaaaaaaaaaayy over pressure.
I guess blowing primers out does save a step in brass preparation...
 
Theyre not even cratering at all.

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I cant even fit any more H322 in the case.

Another member on 6mmbr used my recipe but he had HBN 53 Vmax and a 18" BHW and he got near matching results.
 
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I speculate. With the lube and poly twist, the bullet gets moving so much easier that you dont get a pressure spike like normal. I think the pressures in this recipe are high, i wouldnt suggest plinking, Ive fired less than 100 in 5 years. I think pressures are getting easily to the high SAAMI specs but instead of that pressure being a spike, i think its a more of a longer plateau as the bullet gets going down the barrel.
 
I don't know enough about internal ballistics to refute any of that, but it seems like if it were that easy to add 300+ FPS to an existing cartridge, everybody would be doing it.
 
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