Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured

Originally Posted By: Flesh EaterAt 406 yards away, the shooter never even would've noticed a handgun being fired back at him. He would've been deafened by the blasts inside the room and never would've seen the muzzle flash from a pistol. All you would've accomplished was probably sending rounds through the air which could possibly strike innocent bystanders.

Exactly.
And you would have had about a zero chance of even locating the source of the shooting considering distance, concert noise, and darkness.

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Originally Posted By: Tbone-AZOriginally Posted By: Bad Dawg
SlickerThanSnot said:
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If concert goers were CCW holders and allowed to carry they could have returned fire.



Ever been shot at?

right, because standing there in a crowd of hundreds and doing nothing is the correct answer.

However futile, firing at a window that is just over 130yrds would have forced him to take cover. That time would allow hundreds to move and seek cover. (also as soon as he was faced LE, he committed suicide) 32 floors is under 400', 400 feet works out to 120meters



Maybe, maybe not. I guess something would have been better than nothing, like you mentioned. With that being said, I don't know much about the cpl laws out there in Vegas but I don't believe you can legally take a handgun into a venue like that.
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Originally Posted By: Tbone-AZ
If concert goers were CCW holders and allowed to carry they could have returned fire.





This gets my vote for WOW ! post of the year !

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I carry everywhere I'm allowed & a lot of places I'm not. I just don't see how it would have done me any good had I been at the show when this happened.
 
Originally Posted By: Tbone-AZOriginally Posted By: Bad DawgOriginally Posted By: SlickerThanSnot
Tbone-AZ If concert goers were CCW holders and allowed to carry they could have returned fire. return fire to a guy 32 stories up with a ccw? seriously? [img said:
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I agree. There is very little a handgun would have done to stop the perp in this incident.

Ever been shot at? Yeah, a guy unloaded a .38 revolver at me and my partner while we were in a boat out in the middle of a river. You could see the bullets hitting the water, his alignment was ok but the bullets were hitting the water about 40 yds short. The shooter was about 200 yds from us and on the same level. Given the circumstances in this shooting a pistol shot from the crowd would probably hit a couple of stories below where the shooter was. Thats just my opinion and that would depend a lot on the pistol and the person shooting it.

right, because standing there in a crowd of hundreds and doing nothing is the correct answer.

However futile, firing at a window that is just over 130yrds would have forced him to take cover. That time would allow hundreds to move and seek cover. (also as soon as he was faced LE, he committed suicide) 32 floors is under 400', 400 feet works out to 120meters
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Originally Posted By: Flesh EaterI was just about to post what everyone else stated. Handguns would've been useless in this situation, but would've been useful in Nice, France. For sure.

Good point. There are many, many situations where this is the case.
 
you keep missing the fact that he wasn't just over 400' away. he wasn't shooting people on the sidewalk at the base of the building. he was at least 100 yards away & what I've seen reported claimed 1000 to 1200 feet, which is more on the order of 300 - 400 yards.

you really think that with a handgun from that distance you could do anything effective? with NO possibility of putting rounds through the windows of other rooms in the hotel, possibly hitting other people?

I know -not think, I KNOW- that I couldn't shoot a pistol that well.
 
my guess is if someone had even TRIED to return fire with a handgun, good chance that he/she would've been shot by police because no one really seemed to know where the shots were coming from.
Firing a CCW in this scenario would've been, well, just stupid.
 
Originally Posted By: songdogmy guess is if someone had even TRIED to return fire with a handgun, good chance that he/she would've been shot by police because no one really seemed to know where the shots were coming from.
Firing a CCW in this scenario would've been, well, just stupid.

Winner, winner chicken dinner.
I live here and have carried in that particular venue. A pistol would have done no one any good. Unless you had a scoped rifle and were a good shot with a dead rest and know where the fire was coming from could a weapon on the ground have done any good. That's provided the cops didn't shoot you first for having a weapon at an active shooting.
 
Sunday Bloody Sunday in the city of sin. Looking at this with the second largest and recent mass shooting at the pulse night club, gives me a Sodom and Gamorra vibe. Sadly we have the Clarleston church shooting as a rebuttal.

Flipping the switch to the stage lights could have saved a lot of lives. I watch the footage and all I can think about is "KILL THE LIGHTS!" For the love of God kill the lights...
 
I'm curious as to why the wackadoodle did it. I fear it has a political slant as most folks that like country music are conservative patriots plus the Antifa crowd have been bragging lately about their new arsenal of AK-47's. This could very well be the start of a civil war of sorts.
 
He is described through the media as a fairly normal, wealthy retired guy. A man who liked and owned many firearms, with no reason as of yet to do this. Why, the perfect patsy for a specific agenda, maybe.
 
Originally Posted By: wybobHe is described through the media as a fairly normal, wealthy retired guy. A man who liked and owned many firearms, with no reason as of yet to do this. Why, the perfect patsy for a specific agenda, maybe.

That's funny. Don't believe everything you hear from the media. His brother said he wasn't a gun fanatic, had no military background, and he doesn't have a clue where or when he got all the guns.
 
I sure don't believe anything the MSM has to say about it. Who knows what is really behind it. There has definitely been an agenda for gun control for a long time.

 
Originally Posted By: wybobHe is described through the media as a fairly normal, wealthy retired guy. A man who liked and owned many firearms, with no reason as of yet to do this. Why, the perfect patsy for a specific agenda, maybe.


Perhaps. It certainly shouldn't be ruled out. There should be plenty of camera or video surveillance around a casino.
 
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