Dispersal/scattering of the yearlings;

medic joe said:
What triggers dispersal/scattering of the yearlings? Step forward & be heard. I want to read YOUR personal experience.
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I want the above questioned answered. By anyone's personal observation that they witnessed such an event. Also what triggers dispersal in that person's opinion?
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As side note; I do & have stated. I agree with parts of what some people have claimed they themselves have seen. The fact of the matter is. They still call BS on some of my own claims or posts. Doing so, implies they've seen it all. Which is fool hardy to believe. As for my own posts. Are they etched in stone in ALL regions of America? That I seriously doubt. I have also STATED that. However, what I have observed makes it true. It is what I have observed & YOU haven't. Get me Earl?
 
DAA said:
Well okay then. :ROFLMAO:

- DAA
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Never have understood why any person has to resort to rude, crude, vulgar and angry words to get their message across. Come on Joe, we have viewers of all ages who read these forums. Let's all keep it clean and civil.
 
I would venture to GUESS that dispersal is brought on by natural instinct or whenever mom & or dad are sick of their shit.
Just funning.
I just call and kill. Rarely see a coyote just out and about in nature in my area. If I do, they are quickly gone.
 
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Never have understood why any person has to resort to rude, crude, vulgar and angry words to get their message across. Come on Joe, we have viewers of all ages who read these forums. Let's all keep it clean and civil.
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I want the above questioned answered. By anyone's personal observation that they witnessed such an event. Also what triggers dispersal in that person's opinion?
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I want my above questions answered, by a few of the blowhards on here. Civil you say? What an interesting concept. I don't join various sites to "pick" anyone's brain. About hunting coyotes or coyote behaviors in general. Why would I? I could care less what another hunter (Biologists, radio collared studies, ect) of what they have observed, their conclusions, knows or doesn't know. I'm comfortable with MY OWN experiences & do NOT seek another hunters knowledge or opinion. That is NOT why I join hunting sites. My ONLY intent is sharing my OWN personal observations/of what I have observed. Aimed solely at the NEW hunter.
 
What did you do with @1oldcoyote Kirby? I want my question answered :ROFLMAO: . And why do you have two active user accounts on here? I want my question answered :ROFLMAO:.

- DAA
 
medic joe said:
I want the above questioned answered. By anyone's personal observation that they witnessed such an event. Also what triggers dispersal in that person's opinion?
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I want my above questions answered, by a few of the blowhards on here. Civil you say? What an interesting concept. I don't join various sites to "pick" anyone's brain. About hunting coyotes or coyote behaviors in general. Why would I? I could care less what another hunter (Biologists, radio collared studies, ect) of what they have observed, their conclusions, knows or doesn't know. I'm comfortable with MY OWN experiences & do NOT seek another hunters knowledge or opinion. That is NOT why I join hunting sites. My ONLY intent is sharing my OWN personal observations/of what I have observed. Aimed solely at the NEW hunter.
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Well, there it is... Kirby calls out those "blowhard experts" all the while being that very thing. He already knows it all and has no interest in learning from anyone else. Kirby wants the uninitiated to hang on to his every word while he regales them with tales of watching coyotes from his truck and home-schooling himself in the martial arts by watching Bruce Lee movies. Kirby is still being Kirby, nothing has changed.
 
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It looks to me like around here most of the coyote pups are out on their own in August or September. I start seeing pups everywhere and dead pups on the highways in August and September. When the pups go out on heir own I think it is a age thing.

Many years ago when I trapped coyotes it looked like the areas that they stay in overlapped each other.

When I had traps out in certain spots for 2 to 3 months at a time it looked to me like when coyotes went out into new areas exploring they did it in groups. Quite often after weeks of no action with my traps I would catch two coyotes at a time.

The first year I trapped I kept about 7 to 10 traps close to a cattle bone yard about a half mile from a ranch house. In about 3 months I caught 33 coyotes in that one location. Many times when I thought I wasn't going to catch anymore coyotes at that location I would find another coyote or two in my traps.

Over the years while calling coyotes in December through February I hardly ever saw 3 coyotes together. I would see pairs of coyotes and 4 coyotes together but hardly ever see 3 coyotes together.
 
DAA said:
What did you do with @1oldcoyote Kirby? I want my question answered :ROFLMAO: . And why do you have two active user accounts on here? I want my question answered :ROFLMAO:.

- DAA
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My initial post above is true on this page. Those were MY two observations end the 3rd week in December. Over a two year span in a row. Sometimes I will make a post of a rare observation of mine. Doing so, is sometimes two fold. One being drawing out self anointed blowhards/experts. Who claim my observations are NOT true. And THEY alone know the REAL truth. I happen to be successful in that venture. I chummed the waters & the bait was taken. ie; you've been snared.
 
Here in MN I also see the late summer pups road killed. Here they are feeding on grasshoppers and frogs(frogs are fall migrations to wintering water). I believe this is the first hunting of pups on their own and be successful. Rabbits, birds, mice take more skill/practice to keep food in the belly. A chilly night slows down the frogs and hoppers and they have similar movements for fox/coyote to key on.
 
Down here I catch/shoot pups up until October or November. December through March is generally pairs with loan pups mixed in. April through the rest of the year is last years pups and other adults that apparently don’t comprehend territorial boundaries.
I’m not so much concerned with dispersal because based on what I shoot and catch they don’t go far or either ours leave and other pups from somewhere else move in. But that brings us back to territories. Your 2x2 mile per pair would lead us to having no season at all on coyotes. And if those pair push their young out completely, then where do they go and why don’t other pairs with similar tendencies not kill them defending their territory?
No one is saying what you see ain’t true, I think it’s more the exception than the rule. You have it made up in your head it’s gospel. In your instance, you kill those 2 coyotes and that landscape is wiped clean. The rest of us kill enough through hunting or trapping and no it’s not.
Heck I’ve seen things others haven’t but I’m not preaching the gospel about it because it’s rare. You seem to get upset that what you’ve observed isn’t behavior everywhere. I watched a guy set a trap and pee down the dirthole and 2 nights later catch a coyote. Now would I recommend that to newbies? Heck no, he caught a pup that checked out the pee. Let an adult come through and it most likely isn’t happening.
 
Spurchaser said:
Down here I catch/shoot pups up until October or November. December through March is generally pairs with loan pups mixed in. April through the rest of the year is last years pups and other adults that apparently don’t comprehend territorial boundaries.
I’m not so much concerned with dispersal because based on what I shoot and catch they don’t go far or either ours leave and other pups from somewhere else move in. But that brings us back to territories. Your 2x2 mile per pair would lead us to having no season at all on coyotes. And if those pair push their young out completely, then where do they go and why don’t other pairs with similar tendencies not kill them defending their territory?
No one is saying what you see ain’t true, I think it’s more the exception than the rule. You have it made up in your head it’s gospel. In your instance, you kill those 2 coyotes and that landscape is wiped clean. The rest of us kill enough through hunting or trapping and no it’s not.
Heck I’ve seen things others haven’t but I’m not preaching the gospel about it because it’s rare. You seem to get upset that what you’ve observed isn’t behavior everywhere. I watched a guy set a trap and pee down the dirthole and 2 nights later catch a coyote. Now would I recommend that to newbies? Heck no, he caught a pup that checked out the pee. Let an adult come through and it most likely isn’t happening.
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No I don't get upset on what others have seen, nor do I care. Hey, good for them..... My only intent on predator sites. IS to educate the young hunters. That is IT...It is the personal attacks on me. That ticks me off. My posts are what I have observed over my many decades. Frankly I do not care what other predator hunters have experienced or not. Obvious reasoning would be understood. A lot of observations are or would be due. To coyote concentrations. It would a damn lie. For anyone to think or believe I've seen it ALL. Nor would I EVER proclaim that. I have, however seen/observed plenty. This is my 60th year hunting canines. So I've seen my share. I have also killed my share. BUT...when I disagree with another hunter on, after HE has hammered away on me . HE....who thinks so damn highly of himself. Then ATTACKS me. BECAUSE I disagree with him or some Biologists studies, ect. So WHAT. I evaluate their explanations vs. What I have observed. Versus, conclusions of what I have observed. MY observations are true to me. I could care less what others disagree with me on. They have not seen/observed what I have. What I have always shared on any site that has a "Predator forum". I share my own observations. I will also disagree with anyone who chooses to hammer away on me on various observations of MINE. I could go on & on about my observations. Compared to any other hunters experiences that disagree with MY OWN. BUT why waist the energy? My above post is factual. I DID happen to luck out & see. "An Actual dispersal/scattering of the yearlings". Logic would prove that to be true. I tire of of some blowhards on here. Who hammer away on me. Because we disagree. Had they actually witnessed an ACTUAL DISPERSAL/SCATTERING of the yearlings. They would've said so. So indeed, I drew those few people into THIS post. I snared them all.... Which has proven. THEY don't know as much as THEY proclaim on coyote behaviors.
 
So which is it Kirby/1oldcoyote/medic joe? Are you posting to help new hunters or are you posting to "snare" the people you have a problem with?

And I ask again. Why do you have more than one active account on here? Why are you at least three different people on here. Kirby, 1oldcoyote and medic joe are all you. Why? Trying to snare somebody? To help new hunters?

I don't care what you've seen. Whoopy do good for you. I don't think your conclusions make any sense. They don't hold any water for the way hunted coyotes act in my part of the world. But that is just my opinion. I do think you come across as the biggest know it all blowhard this forum has ever seen. Which exactly what you are constantly railing against. And let's face it, by your own words back when you were posting as Kirby, you have almost no actual calling experience. Let alone calling success. Some of these guys you have such a hard on for have killed more coyotes than you claim to have even seen.

This thread is just a purse fight you started on purposes. And it's stupid. And it's your regular behavior. For myself, I'm putting the purse down and stepping away and leaving you to yourself.

I hope everyone has a meaningful Christmas!

- DAA
 
DAA said:
So which is it Kirby/1oldcoyote/medic joe? Are you posting to help new hunters or are you posting to "snare" the people you have a problem with?

And I ask again. Why do you have more than one active account on here? Why are you at least three different people on here. Kirby, 1oldcoyote and medic joe are all you. Why? Trying to snare somebody? To help new hunters?

I don't care what you've seen. Whoopy do good for you. I don't think your conclusions make any sense. They don't hold any water for the way hunted coyotes act in my part of the world. But that is just my opinion. I do think you come across as the biggest know it all blowhard this forum has ever seen. Which exactly what you are constantly railing against. And let's face it, by your own words back when you were posting as Kirby, you have almost no actual calling experience. Let alone calling success. Some of these guys you have such a hard on for have killed more coyotes than you claim to have even seen.

This thread is just a purse fight you started on purposes. And it's stupid. And it's your regular behavior. For myself, I'm putting the purse down and stepping away and leaving you to yourself.

I hope everyone has a meaningful Christmas!

- DAA
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As I've stated prior. I post to the new predator hunters. I don't care what other hunters know or have observed. As for a few of you who enjoy hammering away on me. Yeah, I snared you. BECAUSE you in all of your & a few other's experiences. Have NOT witnessed the actual "behavior of dispersal". As well AS many of my other personal observations/experiences. I don't post to start arguments. However, I will post a rare observation/conclusion of my own. To draw those in. WHO RELISH in putting me down. YOU are one of them. The only active membership I have on this site. Is this membership I use right now. Any other membership I've had on here. Is NO longer ACTIVE. Yeah I'm done responding to YOU & a FEW others myself. Because all of you(FEW). Relish in hammering away on me. Because MY views/experiences differ from your own. I'm done with you & your followers as well. I will NO longer respond to you & your followers. Regardless of what you guys say about me.
 
I believe the reason no one is sharing their personal observations is that they do not believe or want to make assumptions about a single act triggering coyote dispersal, myself included. Based on my observations, I don’t think there is a specific moment when the alpha gathers the group for a ritualistic act triggering dispersal. Instead, I believe the young coyotes gradually start to separate as they age, venturing out in small groups or alone until they eventually do not return. They form hierarchies and bonds, which can influence certain littermates to stay longer.

Just because you cannot see or hear coyotes doesn't mean they aren't present. I have hunted them extensively using greyhounds. Typically, six or seven trucks will surround a one-mile section of land; Oklahoma is flatter than Iowa. Hunters on all sides of the section communicate with CBs and use binoculars, often able to see the opposite trucks a mile away. It takes something significant to get a lot of those coyotes on their feet so they can be seen—like sending in bloodhounds, having someone go into the area, or even shooting.

When local farmers tell me they haven't been seeing coyotes, that doesn't discourage me from hunting in that area. If I observed what you described and then patrolled the area 24/7 using thermal imaging, I wouldn't feel confident making an assumption that those coyotes have left the area just because I hadn't seen them again.

I have observed a lot of coyote behavior and social interactions, primarily at night when they are most active, using thermal imaging. During the day, they tend to layup, and most of their activities occur after dark. Wild animals, like coyotes, do not follow consistent patterns throughout the year.

It's important to note that male coyotes only produce sperm once a year, testosterone has no affect on their sisters' decisions to disperse. This factor alone scientifically disproves the group would disperse at once. Often, during the breeding season, I call in pairs, only to find two males with pearly white teeth. I feel confident making assumptions like they are brothers, in their first year of producing sperm.

Considering all these factors and my experiences in the field, I do not believe there is a single moment or ritual during which all the young coyotes disperse at once.
 
Spurchaser said:
But that brings us back to territories. Your 2x2 mile per pair would lead us to having no season at all on coyotes. And if those pair push their young out completely, then where do they go and why don’t other pairs with similar tendencies not kill them defending their territory?
No one is saying what you see ain’t true, I think it’s more the exception than the rule. You have it made up in your head it’s gospel. In your instance, you kill those 2 coyotes and that landscape is wiped clean. The rest of us kill enough through hunting or trapping and no it’s not.
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Our land is divided into one-mile grids consisting of 640-acre sections. Many of these sections are separated by county roads that run north to south and east to west. When coyotes vocalize, it is easy to determine whether they are in the one-mile section where you are hunting.

I've observed that in late spring, when the pups begin to vocalize but are still too young to venture out on their own, it is quite common to find as many as three different family groups within a single one-mile section. It is specifically during late spring, when the pups start vocalizing and I can hear family groups responding to my vocals simultaneously, that I feel confident estimating the number of family groups present in a given section.
 
Infidel 762 said:
I believe the young coyotes gradually start to separate as they age, venturing out in small groups or alone until they eventually do not return. They form hierarchies and bonds, which can influence certain littermates to stay longer.
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+1 As previously stated, my observation of coyotes is severely limited to watching one cross a sendero in a split second while trying to bring a rifle to bear, so my opinion is purely speculative. I do believe that like all critters, each pup has/develops his/her own "personality" and, for the most part, they would tend to drift off one by one as they mature. Look at any litter of domestic pups, each one exhibits different stages of development; some much more adventurous than others.

ETA: domestic
 
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