Advantages of lights vs. night vision or thermal.

The point is I don't have a problem with thermal as a whole. But I guess somehow this thread is perceived that I hate thermal and the people that use it. When I've used it myself. So I don't see how. Do I think it's made shooting coyotes easier and essentially made every Tom, Dick and Harry a coyote hunter? Absolutely.
Well, I hope you're right. We need more coyote hunters. They are recruiting more anti-hunters every year. If we want to stop seeing states eliminate contests, then trapping, dogs, etc. on the way to completely banning it altogether, we will have to have more people involved in the sport. If as you believe thermals create more coyote hunters, then thank God.
 
Well, I hope you're right. We need more coyote hunters. They are recruiting more anti-hunters every year. If we want to stop seeing states eliminate contests, then trapping, dogs, etc. on the way to completely banning it altogether, we will have to have more people involved in the sport. If as you believe thermals create more coyote hunters, then thank God.
There's no shortage of people that want to see it banned. Way more than there are coyote hunters. Eventually all hunting will be banned. But that's another topic altogether. There ain't enough thermals in the world to keep the sport from dying eventually. But that's neither here nor there. I doubt it'll happen in our lifetime.
 
If the goal is to kill coyotes and you don't have a helicopter, thermals are the most effective way to kill coyotes by far.
I would say if atmospherics are optimal and the they aren't freezing down, a good trapper is damn near effective as a chopper. A trap works 24/7 when you're not there, when you're sleeping, and when the chopper isn't airborne.
There's no shortage of people that want to see it banned. Way more than there are coyote hunters. Eventually all hunting will be banned. But that's another topic altogether. There ain't enough thermals in the world to keep the sport from dying eventually. But that's neither here nor there. I doubt it'll happen in our lifetime.
We'll have a massive system reset before all hunting is banned, and when that happens only by hunting will we survive.
 
It wasn't made about that until it was made that way. I voiced my opinion on it. It seems some people on here are pretty touchy and probably are the same people that shoot coyotes off dead pits or plink them from the roads at night and call themselves hunters of coyotes. Or at least it's starting to seem that way.

I've used thermal and night vision myself. It started out as what advantages do each have and it seems as though some took it as a personal attack. Which could turn into that before it's all said and done. That part is up to y'all. I'm good with it either way.

Or we can talk about the advantages of disadvantages of each like I initially started this thread for. If you like huntin dead pits, cool. If you road hunt, good. I don't care about that. Use your thermal and be happy. It don't bother me how you do it.

Oh no... now we are contemplating who is a "real hunter/caller"... talk about thread drift lol.

Seriously... your earlier comment about justifying the cost of thermal is relative, and in error in my opinion, and solely up to the individual ("worth" is subjective) as actually killing a coyote isn't the sole benefit from buying such technology. I'm sure guys with 30K-100K boats in their driveway are not putting enough fish on ice to "justify" the expense.

I see absolutely no advantage to using light over thermal... if you can't tell a coyote or hog via thermal perhaps you (not you specifically) shouldn't be afield at night with a gun. Perhaps you didn't mean to sound as you did initially but here we are and your follow up posts are not doing anything to clear things up.

I say use what you can... use what you like... use what helps you... use what you can afford. At least you're out there enjoying the activity.

Good luck in your future hunts!!
 
I call myself a coyote hunter,do not have or want night thermals or night vision.Killed a lot of coyotes with lights many years ago when it was legal here in Okla.Enjoy day calling as I really enjoy seeing everything and like the challenge,and some of the places I call would not let me in at night anyway.Not an elitest but if I am deer hunting and see one I will not shoot it,just me.Calling them always seemed like the hard part to me and the shooting part usually easiest.There is a difference in hunting and killing in my mind.Going to open a can of worms here but the difference in hunting and killing is why I will not hunt deer over bait,just me.
 
On the subject of cost... and I've posted this before... my friends give me crazy looks when I tell them my thermal was $7500. But that's just part of the cost for hunting coyote and hogs at night. I have dual NODS at about $7000, rifle set up and suppressor another $2500, I'm in for about $2000 in callers, not to mention my turret set up in my truck that was close to $1000. Now... add gas to and from, snacks, batteries, etc. and you can toss "worth it" out the window if you're looking for a pay off.

I justify it kind of like the boat thing... no one would bat an eye if I liked to fish and dumped TWICE that in a boat, motor, trailer, electronics, poles, fish gear, etc. Again, the cost and benefit is relative to the person spending the money. I'm a blue-collar guy and don't make a ton of money... but I know what I like.

I use to be a big off-shore fishing fan, both my brother and I had boats and we've been 125 miles off shore staying the night having a good time. Did we catch enough fish to justify that expense(s)... hell no, not even close. But when they changed the season dates and limits all the "fun" went out of it and we both sold our boats.

Cost vs. value is the point... value comes from the enjoyment of being afield doing what you like... cost sometimes is misplaced. At least that's how I see it.
 
I call myself a coyote hunter,do not have or want night thermals or night vision.Killed a lot of coyotes with lights many years ago when it was legal here in Okla.Enjoy day calling as I really enjoy seeing everything and like the challenge,and some of the places I call would not let me in at night anyway.Not an elitest but if I am deer hunting and see one I will not shoot it,just me.Calling them always seemed like the hard part to me and the shooting part usually easiest.There is a difference in hunting and killing in my mind.Going to open a can of worms here but the difference in hunting and killing is why I will not hunt deer over bait,just me.

Absolutely nothing wrong with that...
 
Oh no... now we are contemplating who is a "real hunter/caller"... talk about thread drift lol.

Seriously... your earlier comment about justifying the cost of thermal is relative, and in error in my opinion, and solely up to the individual ("worth" is subjective) as actually killing a coyote isn't the sole benefit from buying such technology. I'm sure guys with 30K-100K boats in their driveway are not putting enough fish on ice to "justify" the expense.

I see absolutely no advantage to using light over thermal... if you can't tell a coyote or hog via thermal perhaps you (not you specifically) shouldn't be afield at night with a gun. Perhaps you didn't mean to sound as you did initially but here we are and your follow up posts are not doing anything to clear things up.

I say use what you can... use what you like... use what helps you... use what you can afford. At least you're out there enjoying the activity.

Good luck in your future hunts!!
I'm just going by what I've seen in some of the cheaper optics. And by cheap I don't mean cheap. I've seen a skunk through an ATN that I couldn't tell was a skunk. Jackrabbits look funky in that scope as well. Or at least to me it did. If that's all a person has I assume they'd learn what's what. But to me it was difficult to positively identify animals over a certain distance away.

I've seen guys on an episode of FoxPro Furtakers say "What was it?" The guy that shot said "I think it was a bobcat." That's not very encouraging that, that particular thermal was very clear. I know it all depends on which thermal you get but I've been less than impressed with some of the thermal I've looked through.

A $7,500 scope is gonna be way different than your average person has on their rifle. And I'm going to assume you can tell a jackrabbit from a bobcat through yours. Your average guy driving around shooting coyotes at night ain't gonna have that. Not even close.

So although thermal can be an advantage we need to clarify which ones. Because between a Q-Beam spotlight or a $1,500 thermal I'll take the spotlight all day every day. Whether I'm standing at a dead pit, calling, driving through a pasture.....whatever the occasion. It doesn't matter. Some thermals just plain suck in my opinion. I have nothin against smoking a deer in the head with a rifle. I'd just rather not do it and expect to find a coyote laying there instead.
 
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Everybody needs to do it however they enjoy,realized how much more I enjoyed day hunting when night hunting disappeared here.Night stuff would definitely not be worth it to me.Just old fashioned I guess,we live in a world of easiest and fastest.Great for lots of people but not a lot of us pushing 70 years old.
 
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I'm just going by what I've seen in some of the cheaper optics. And by cheap I don't mean cheap. I've seen a skunk through an ATN that I couldn't tell was a skunk. Jackrabbits look funky in that scope as well. Or at least to me it did. If that's all a person has I assume they'd learn what's what. But to me it was difficult to positively identify animals over a certain distance away.

I've seen guys on an episode of FoxPro Furtakers say "What was it?" The guy that shot said "I think it was a bobcat." That's not very encouraging that, that particular thermal was very clear. I know it all depends on which thermal you get but I've been less than impressed with some of the thermal I've looked through.

A $7,500 scope is gonna be way different than your average person has on their rifle. And I'm going to assume you can tell a jackrabbit from a bobcat through yours. Your average guy driving around shooting coyotes at night ain't gonna have that. Not even close.

So although thermal can be an advantage we need to clarify which ones. Because between a Q-Beam spotlight or a $1,500 thermal I'll take the spotlight all day every day. Whether I'm standing at a dead pit, calling, driving through a pasture.....whatever the occasion. It doesn't matter. Some thermals just plain suck in my opinion. I have nothin against smoking a deer in the head with a rifle. I'd just rather not do it and expect to find a coyote laying there instead.

Yes indeed... some of the cheaper units leave a lot to be desired.

Night hunting is just about my only hobby, besides traditional deer hunting, so it's all I really do. I do believe that I've invested a little more than the average guy who says he hunts coyote... but then again, I've seen some nice set ups.

I'm fairly serious about the activity... to the point I have a turret set up in the bed of my truck. I only hunt with two other guys... both are average Joe's and we all have the same thermal and the same turret set up... so much for being "average".





 
After hunting with lights for over 6 years, then going to thermal the last 6.(I had hunted NY & OH w/thermal before PA legalized it)
Many things became obvious.to me...a game changer here..from a coyote observation/killing aspect.
The number of coyotes we spooked walking in, didn't see that we called in, just didn't see period, stopped after killing a mate, and even killed but couldn't find... and most importantly-seeing people, livestock, domestics, homes, buildings, vehicles with thermal.
Thermal is the clear "winner" here
 
That turret is a pretty serious rig.

I've always thought hunting with lights and thermal both at the same time would be a deadly combination myself. Hunting from a high rack like I have in the past I really don't know how a person would do it otherwise. I know some guys that have tried hunting from a high rack with strictly thermals and they told me they were having coyotes hang up.

That's another advantage to lights I believe if that's how a person is going to call. I just think some people underestimate coyotes. They can see at night. Those coyotes were hanging up because they saw the truck. It never occured to them that's what was happening. But they were new to the thermal game. They couldn't figure out why they were only getting long shots at coyotes.

I will say that's a disadvantage to Night Vision if you're hunting from a high rack. I've experienced it firsthand what happens when you shine a white light on a coyote while looking through night vision. You're basically looking at a white out. Learned not to do that again. I believe Night Vision and in some instances thermal is one of those deals where you need to get out and hunt just like you would a daytime stand.

Unless you have a setup like the turret and truck blind.
 
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As a kid, we rode around with dad checking his trap line after he got to the house from working. We were blessed to be able to trap the ranch he managed (he was, I just tagged along at that point in life). While running lines we constantly had an old million candlepower spotlight plugged into the pickup and scanned for eyes. As we'd pick them up, dad would kill the pick up let out a bark to stop them and hammer 'em with the old Rem 700 22-250 he packed everywhere. A ranchers salary in those days wasn't much and if it weren't for his trap line and us spotlighting, I'm guessing a lot of bills would have gone unpaid. Maybe not unpaid, but we'd for sure have been dirt floor poor! Hides in those days brought a mint even by todays standards! My how technology has changed things! You know, I can't even find a light rated in candlepower anymore? :ROFLMAO: I still use a light to this day except it's no bigger than 5 or 6 inches long and brighter than what we thought was "good" equipment back then. I know if we had thermal back then, we'd have used it! We spent countless hours in the winter trapping, calling and spotlighting. Adding something like a thermal to the mix, mom may have never seen any of us ever again! Just a few weeks ago, I was able to look through a thermal for the first time. A good friend of mine recently got one. It wasn't a top of the line deal or anything but HOLY COW! What a game changer! Reckon unless I hit the lottery or stumble upon a pile of money someday that's not needed elsewhere, I may look into getting myself one. For now I'll stick with a light as it's worked great for over 40 years, but no doubt, If a feller wanted to be serious about hunting coyote, a thermal would be a most useful tool!
 
I'm actually in favor of banning contest, banning coyote hunting would be even better!

Another thing, you guys whining about the cost of thermals, I actually hope the price goes up, stop being poor, go somewhere else like Facebook coyote groups and be poor!!!
 
I'm actually in favor of banning contest, banning coyote hunting would be even better!

Another thing, you guys whining about the cost of thermals, I actually hope the price goes up, stop being poor, go somewhere else like Facebook coyote groups and be poor!!!
I don't think anyone was whining about the price of thermal that I've noticed. If anything I was griping. Not about how expensive it is but how inexpensive it is. The talk of banning hunting came up. And along those lines that could go hand in hand. If the game warden writes enough tickets for people mistaking a deer sticking its head out of the grass for a coyote, that will do it. Won't nobody be shooting coyotes at night.

If someone's gonna buy a thermal I think they should buy the best one they can. Because their mistakes could affect everyone as a whole.
 
That turret is a pretty serious rig.

I've always thought hunting with lights and thermal both at the same time would be a deadly combination myself. Hunting from a high rack like I have in the past I really don't know how a person would do it otherwise. I know some guys that have tried hunting from a high rack with strictly thermals and they told me they were having coyotes hang up.

Unless you have a setup like the turret and truck blind.

I've had hogs and coyote run right up to my truck... in about seven years of using this set up I've had no issue with coyote hanging up. I've even had deer walk right past me where I could almost spit on them.

When the moon is out, I do try to set up in the shadows or where the shadows will be. Always help to avoid detection.
 
I myself still use red lights I also use a thermal scanner, that is to see what my light does not so if need be I can go through sounds on the caller to bring them in I still like to get them to less than 200yds before I take the shot.

For me it's all about calling them in close.
 
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