SupressYourself
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Well, I happen to think you both register on the autism spectrum for turning every benign conversation into a dick measuring contest. Holy crap guys, this ain't that important.
22 nosler
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Hecouldgoalltheway
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You're right, and I know you are, not about the spectrum part, but how ridiculous these conversations get. This dude laid into me for 5 posts for making a joke about a Chinese optic. I'm putting him back on ignore now. I shouldn't have taken him off to begin with. Apologies for my behavior to the group.
Shotinthedark
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"anyone shooting one and opinions "
That was the original poster's opening statement ...
He was looking for opinions..
I simply gave mine...then the child comes in swinging ...
and acts like he holds the holy grail of truth...
Gimme a break .....They are damn near the same ...
One has alot more support behind it from the whole shooting community
and manufacture community is all ...the 22 ARC...
That was the original poster's opening statement ...
He was looking for opinions..
I simply gave mine...then the child comes in swinging ...
and acts like he holds the holy grail of truth...
Gimme a break .....They are damn near the same ...
One has alot more support behind it from the whole shooting community
and manufacture community is all ...the 22 ARC...
Shotinthedark
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Good piss off and stay pissd off ! child.....
"but how ridiculous these conversations get" yeah no kidding
SupressYourself
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Seems like he recognized the absurdity and decided to let go.
Shotinthedark
Active member
Its interesting since the 22 arc has a case capacity of 34.7 Gr and the 22 Nosler has 34.2
That some on here want to claim the 22 ARC is NOT going to even compare ..
Huh ? The last time I checked more powder means more horsepower
Saami specs for a 22 Nosler max out at 55K PSI and are the same as a 223 Remington...
22 ARC in a bolt gun is 60 to 62.000 PSI ....
22 ARC Has .5 GR more case capacity , normally seats the bullets out further
allowing maximum case usage and has up to 7k more allowable pressure
and some on here want to say it will out perform a 22 arc ...???
Really ...show me ...
I don't care about factory loads ... Lets talk about cartridge potential when loaded
by your own components in a Bolt Gun....
The ARC will win ...irregardless of what gr bullet used ....more pressure and more powder
in the same barrel ...it doesn't take much to figure out which is faster
That some on here want to claim the 22 ARC is NOT going to even compare ..
Huh ? The last time I checked more powder means more horsepower
Saami specs for a 22 Nosler max out at 55K PSI and are the same as a 223 Remington...
22 ARC in a bolt gun is 60 to 62.000 PSI ....
22 ARC Has .5 GR more case capacity , normally seats the bullets out further
allowing maximum case usage and has up to 7k more allowable pressure
and some on here want to say it will out perform a 22 arc ...???
Really ...show me ...
I don't care about factory loads ... Lets talk about cartridge potential when loaded
by your own components in a Bolt Gun....
The ARC will win ...irregardless of what gr bullet used ....more pressure and more powder
in the same barrel ...it doesn't take much to figure out which is faster
BleedsBlue
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Obviously you do not know what you are talking about.. a fast twist ARC cannot outperform another cartridge with slower twist rate and similar case capacity.
Glad that you are giving the forum some action though
Shotinthedark
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Obviously you and others cannot READ !!!!! what part of cartridge potential do you NOT understand ??
Did I say a word about barrels and twists ??
No ...anybody with a brain knows a faster twist slows velocity ....
THUS
I stated cartridge potential .......
This means the same barrels same build
22 NOSLER VS 22 ARC
not sure how to make this any more clear ....
Shotinthedark
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Yeah action apparently only due to the fact that there seems to be plenty of 20 something here
who engage their feelings and emotions rather than data .....yano the types that use terminology
like Cringe or cringy ...LOL !!!! umm yeah Kiddies my daughter's age ...
who engage their feelings and emotions rather than data .....yano the types that use terminology
like Cringe or cringy ...LOL !!!! umm yeah Kiddies my daughter's age ...
Shotinthedark
Active member
Yeah Obviously I don't know what I'm talking about ...
Obviously ...
I'm the one who lives in a 1.8 mil home on 40 acres with the pond I dug
that's all paid for....
own 2 patents ...my own company ...
Was loading and shooting chucks with my win mod 70 in 220 swift in the 80's
when you weren't even rattling in your father's stones yet ..
Shotinthedark
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BTW outperform is subjective .....
Hey Einstein a 22 ARC with a fast twist and heavier bullet
outperforms a light weight bullet from a slow twist from 3-400 yards
to infinity ..... with terminal energy , ballistic coefficient , just to name a few
Obviously you know not what you speak
SupressYourself
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Well, I tried...
You guys have fun insulting each other over trivial matters.
You guys have fun insulting each other over trivial matters.
varminter .223
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We killed well north of 150 coyotes in a 3 season or so period with 22" 12 twist WOA barreled 22 Noslers with
Nosler brass
450 primers
33 cfe223
55 ballistic tip
@ 2.265 coal
This load also shot in the 8 twist just as well. If I recall it's right around 3500 fps.
We switched to 6x6.8, 243, 6 Hagar, 22 250 etc to mix things up but there was no need. I dont think there is a better factory AR compatible cartridge yet. Brass is not soft like some say. You just have to not over gas it. Its fast and flat and we used to lay out alot of runners. Just dont hunt as much now. Buddies had kids etc.
Problem with the ARC is the twist and throat etc is designed to shoot longer heavier bullets which are less likely to be a bullet constructed for maximum energy dump in a coyote. With fewer bullets choices the gun has fewer options when it is picking the one it likes the best.
As far as high bc bullets to shoot over yonder coyote I would prefer a bigger case capacity like the 6 creed or 243 etc. Most coyote hunting is a sub 300 yard game probably sub 250 yard anyway.
Remember the case stays in the gun.....the bullet is what does the killing. With that said its all about the right bullet at the right speed.
Nosler brass
450 primers
33 cfe223
55 ballistic tip
@ 2.265 coal
This load also shot in the 8 twist just as well. If I recall it's right around 3500 fps.
We switched to 6x6.8, 243, 6 Hagar, 22 250 etc to mix things up but there was no need. I dont think there is a better factory AR compatible cartridge yet. Brass is not soft like some say. You just have to not over gas it. Its fast and flat and we used to lay out alot of runners. Just dont hunt as much now. Buddies had kids etc.
Problem with the ARC is the twist and throat etc is designed to shoot longer heavier bullets which are less likely to be a bullet constructed for maximum energy dump in a coyote. With fewer bullets choices the gun has fewer options when it is picking the one it likes the best.
As far as high bc bullets to shoot over yonder coyote I would prefer a bigger case capacity like the 6 creed or 243 etc. Most coyote hunting is a sub 300 yard game probably sub 250 yard anyway.
Remember the case stays in the gun.....the bullet is what does the killing. With that said its all about the right bullet at the right speed.
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Shotinthedark
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It's a losing ordeal ...and that Nosler Brass that was spoken so highly of
is cross sectioned in this thread and shown to be garbage !
www.snipershide.com
is cross sectioned in this thread and shown to be garbage !
Best 22 nosler barrel
Who makes the best 22 nosler barrel? Thinking about getting one for a Halo lr thermal. Or opinions on weather or not it is worth it over a 5.56. Thinking some 55gr bullets would really hum out of it. Thanks
www.snipershide.com
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Shotinthedark
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Since I love my 223 AI
The 22 Nosler does look like something worth pursuing ...
Again alot of performance with less powder ..
I have a Precision Lathe , maybe Ill get Clymer to make me a reamer
they are not far from me...get a 1-10 or 1'12 blank and build a 24"
Looks like Bergara is selling actions now for a nice price ...
The same can be done with the 22 ARC in the same barrel ....
That is most likely smarter ...
The 22 Nosler does look like something worth pursuing ...
Again alot of performance with less powder ..
I have a Precision Lathe , maybe Ill get Clymer to make me a reamer
they are not far from me...get a 1-10 or 1'12 blank and build a 24"
Looks like Bergara is selling actions now for a nice price ...
The same can be done with the 22 ARC in the same barrel ....
That is most likely smarter ...
varminter .223
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The junk Stoner barrel barrels that Midway rolled out with the 22 Nosler were horrid on brass and very hit and miss on accuracy. Best I can figure thats how the cartridge got a bad rap.
Beyond that Ive had no brass issues accept some swipes on the case head if pushed hard. Only negative is the rebated case head. Ive had some issues with the lugs slipping past the case when stripping it from the mag. Thats was early on in my black gun craze and knowing what I know now that was most likey a bolt speed issues. Adjustable gas block might solve that. My buddies never seem to have any issues. Possibly more buffer resistance on theirs etc.
Beyond that Ive had no brass issues accept some swipes on the case head if pushed hard. Only negative is the rebated case head. Ive had some issues with the lugs slipping past the case when stripping it from the mag. Thats was early on in my black gun craze and knowing what I know now that was most likey a bolt speed issues. Adjustable gas block might solve that. My buddies never seem to have any issues. Possibly more buffer resistance on theirs etc.
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varminter .223
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Truth be known everything is chasing the 6 Hagar. Our custom reamer barrels are accurate with several bullets and will push 70 bts 3400.
No dog in this fight really. Civilization has encroached on much of my old stomping grounds for coyotes. So much he 22-250 was a bit to much of a good thing, and, that barrel was not getting any better.
I had picked up a Howa mini for cheap. Pencil barrel showed vertical stringing. So it sat with no use. Forward and the 22 Valkyrie showed with talk about the 22 Nosler. I sat on the fence a while and let others clear out some of the + and - of the two.
A local farm store went out of business they had a huge stock of Nosler ammo. The tail end of it was 22 Hornet and 22 Nosler. Well, yes I bought loaded ammo for components, like 50 cents a round out the door when I bought a case, so I bought two cases.
The rifle. 223 barrel removed from the mini, a new nut job barrel was ordered from preferred barrels. A little mag work on factory mags. Dropped in to an Oryx chassis. Nope not a 22-250, I look at it more like the old 222 mag
Also bought a pile of dogtown ammo from midway.
I had picked up a Howa mini for cheap. Pencil barrel showed vertical stringing. So it sat with no use. Forward and the 22 Valkyrie showed with talk about the 22 Nosler. I sat on the fence a while and let others clear out some of the + and - of the two.
A local farm store went out of business they had a huge stock of Nosler ammo. The tail end of it was 22 Hornet and 22 Nosler. Well, yes I bought loaded ammo for components, like 50 cents a round out the door when I bought a case, so I bought two cases.
The rifle. 223 barrel removed from the mini, a new nut job barrel was ordered from preferred barrels. A little mag work on factory mags. Dropped in to an Oryx chassis. Nope not a 22-250, I look at it more like the old 222 mag
Also bought a pile of dogtown ammo from midway.
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