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My brother has downed 3 yotes at 40 to 50 yards with Number 4 shot 3” mags…. I recently did a penetration test at 50 yards on 4 inches of foam with 1/2 inch plywood backer. Remington Nitro 3” with 1 7/8 ounces of 4 lead shot going 1210 had two pellets almost escape the plywood. 4 buck on the same target blew out all holes on the plywood. While 4 buck is way more powerful it can be finicky to pattern but I consider 5 consistent hits out of 27 pellets in an 8 inch vitals circle at fifty yards a pretty reliable unit. My Benelli M2 likes the extended Carlson .700 improved modified for both the 4 buck and the heavy Remington Nitro Turkey loads. Remington has come out with a Nitro magnum in #2 lead shot that I would like to test. I shot steel waterfowl loads at 4 inch foam and 1/2 plywood going 1550 fps… not even close to penetrating out the back of the plywood. I would say waterfowl loads are def for the birds. My suggestions is to put some money into chokes and get the lead 4 buck shooting good. Every gun is different so follow the guideline of your gun and choke tube makers. I have a Carlson buckshot choke .695 and the Carlson .700 Improve modified, which both are decent on four buck. With the .700 doing a little better. Neither are so good beyond 60 yards though.