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I shoot in many diferernt calibers. I tend to carry a 204, a 17hmr, and a 223. The 223 is a rock river 16" varmint. My daily rounds on the farm offer me a great chance to incounter yotes. I've taken them with all guns at all ranges. By far the rule of thumb is the longer the shot the the more I grab the 223. Now I find myself using the 17 for snakes and rabbits. I have not found the perfect bullet yet... but I have not tried the 60 gr. vmax. Maybe Santa will bring a case or two. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowingsmilie.gif