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The only way the 60gr VMAX could be better is if it was boat tailed. I have not had a coyote run more than 10ft after being shot with one. They also work on Mule deer huh Mussman.223?? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif.....Here is 2 examples of 60gr VMAXS at work. These were shot at 75 and 45 yards. Both in the shoulder. Both were shot in the exact place you see them laying. They did no more than fall down after being shot. One was with my Lija Recce and the other with Mussmans WOA SPR. The best of the AR world.