So you wanna be a predator hunter...now what?

SnowmanMo

President of Predator Masters
Staff member
As with many sports or hobbies, once someone has decided to try a new endeavor the all mighty question of "what now" pops up.

Well, first off, what is driving you to become a predator hunter? We all do it for various reasons. Some of us may have started because we got bored sitting in deer or elk camp with nothing to do while we waited for the rest of our hunting group tagged out. Some may have gotten hooked as they walked by a catchy video with some blood pressure raising music full of flashy video shots of predators meeting their demise.

I got started when a friend asked me to give him a call if I ever wanted to go out with him a do some "calling." I had no real idea exactly what went into calling. Sadly, neither did he. We went out for a sundown stand and he managed to call in a grey fox, complete with challenge barking and a flash of the critter as it raced by my 5 foot sight line before being shot at, ineffectively, by my partner. Regardless of the outcome, I was hooked. There was something fascinating for me to try my hand calling in animals who hunt for their survival. Could I be good enough?

Today, predator hunting still gets my blood boiling. Seeing a hard charging coyote or a skulking bobcat just revs my engine. My adrenaline sky rockets and there is just something so satisfying when I hear that bullet connect with a THWAP.

This was not an easy journey. If you think that all it takes is an ecaller, a gun and some camo, you are in for a RUDE awakening. Predator calling is challenging. Make no mistake. Every caller is using every trick int heir book to be the very best. We're not trying to impress each other, we're trying just to the best in our own hearts.

The good news is that you have decided to join a group of hunters that is incredibly generous with their advice and their time. When I was starting out, and was striking out when it came to hanging fur, I was lucky enough to get connected with a local predator hunting club. One of those members was willing to take me out and see what I was doing right and wrong and he was very generous with his advice. That got me going in a positive direction. From 2 years of seeing coyotes but never connecting with one, to going out on my own a calling in 5 in one day. Then a friend asked me to join Predator Masters. Through Predator Masters I have met some of the finest predator hunters I think there are. I found a group of folks who were more than willing to share their stories of success and failures as well as what techniques and tools they had found that worked.

I remember my first PM Convention, sitting in the lobby of the hotel waiting for the Board Of Directors meeting to get out. A gentleman sat down, and we began conversing about predator hunting. He looked familiar but I just couldn't place him. He introduced himself as Byron South, BOOM, I had seen Byron's videos. Here was the man himself sitting right across from me in a hotel lobby.

I had so many questions blasting around in my head, but which one to start with. I was stuck in a bit of a calling slump, so I asked Byron if he had ever been in a slump. He chuckled and told me of course he had, all predator hunters go through slumps. I was blown away. Byron could get dropped onto Mars and I am sure that within 15 minutes he would have a quad of Martian coyotes bombing his way. Yet he is telling me that he has had slumps. And that he will have more. WOW. This motivated me to keep going, through thick and thin.

I remember to how proud I was when senior PM members would remember my name or would ask me to come hunt with them, or one of my proudest days, when they started asking me to call for them. Then I got asked up on stage at a convention to participate in a question an answer session. I look around and I am among the best in the industry. I couldn't believe that I had anything to offer our members, but there I was fielding questions and not just from the audience but from some of the guys that I hold in the highest esteem. It took me some time to realize that I had earned my place up there. I had put in my time, called my share fare of blank stands and I was finally good enough to share my experiences with others.

If you think that there is a magic, golden ticket that is going to launch you into predator hunting glory, you are in for a rude awakening. Predator hunting is hard. Coyotes are smart, bobcats are scarce. And because of sharply produced videos the sport is growing exponentially. Predators are unforgiving. There is a steep learning curve. There is no magic call, gun, camo, scent control, decoy. It is a LOT of hard work. It is stand after blank stand, missing the easy shots, calling in nothing but tumble weeds or other hunters.

The first bit of advice that I can impart, is to figure out what attracts you to the sport? Then decide what you are willing to put in to get it. I played sports at a high level for a long time. When I walked away from those sports I found out that I have an addictive personality. I need to scratch that itch with some kind of sport, whether that is hunting, fishing, competitive shooting, I need something. But predator hunting exacts a price. When I call a blank stand my mind starts reeling at what I need to go buy to make it so that I never have another blank stand again. I used to do jus that. Blank day, I was stopping at Bass Pro Shops, Cabelas, Sportsman's Warehouse to buy a bag full of cover scents, hand calls, ecaller chips, camo. I spent a lot of money on junk that did nothing more than cause me to buy more junk. But I am stubborn, so I was out again the next weekend.

But because of people like the members of PM, I was able to filter through the things that worked and stop my addiction to failure.

Now it's my turn to help another up and coming predator hunter. Over the years I have volunteered to take out new predator hunters. I volunteered to be a hunters ed instructor. I was lucky enough to be able to meet other PM members at the convention and get to take some of them out. I still have an open invitation for members passing through the southwest. If you're coming through, drop me a line and lets see if we can hang some fur. I get such a blast watching others succeed.

I hope that you can take a good hard look at what you want to get out of this sport. I hope that Predator Hunting 101 will help.

If you have questions or comments about this topic, please feel free to post it here.

Mo
 
what would you consider a "as cheap as it can be" starter set?
caliber, calls,.. etc?
currently i have a 223 ar, bolt 22-250 and bolt 6.5 CM. i have equipment to reload but i haven't started yet, but that is on the list.
 
Bernard,

Welcome to the insanity that is predator hunting. I welcome you to our community.

You off to a great start with those calibers. All of them are proven coyote killers. The first thing I ask new hunters is why are you hunting coyotes…fur or population control. In fur hunting you need to carefully select a caliber and bullet that are going to knock the coyote down without too much fur damage. For population control…you want a bang flop, DRT (dead right there) caliber. Coyotes are tough for their size. Many coyote hunter, myself included, have put what appeared to be a good hit on a coyote only to have them jump and run.

I used a 16in, bull barrel AR-15 for many years. My go to bullets are the 55gr vmax and 62gr soft point. The AR is a handy rifle that is easily modified and outfitted for predator hunting. But the biggest rule for the gun is that you have to be comfortable and competent with it. You need to spend as much time as you can at the range practicing.

For callers, I am a big fan of FoxPro although Eco Tech makes good calls as does Lucky Duck. The FoxPro Patriot is a good starter caller usually under $150. I am a fan of buy once cry once. My personal favorite is the XS24 but it’s going to hit your wallet. The FoxPro Inferno is also a good entry level unit, similar to the Patriot, but with a different remote and capabilities. I don’t think you go wrong with either.

I hunt on a stool, with either shooting sticks or a tripod. I like the Primos standing telescoping bipod. A nice dove stool might hit you for $20. Then some dark camo, like Real Tree AP HD of Real Tree green since you’ll be sitting in front of something to break up your outline. Mask, gloves, boogie hat, comfy boots.

Now you just got to find them.
 
Originally Posted By: SnowmanMoBernard,

I am a fan of buy once cry once.

same here

pop control
they're growing in pop, and starting to get the deer fawns
 
That being the case I have to say that the XS24 is by far my favorite and killingest caller that I've had. The volume is impressive and the call clarity is spectacular. I used a CS24 for years and I almost cried when it died. But the body count on my XS24 dried those tears right up.

I made the mistake of pinching pennies when I got started and I went through a variety of ecallers. I had a Johnny Stewart PM1 but the cord git coyotes too close. So I experimented with several wireless callers...all of which left much to be desired. So I went back to the PM1 and used it for years. When I finally saved my lunch money I bought a FoxPro Scorpion that I used for 13 years. When it died I upgraded to a Crossfire which met it's demise to a friendly fire incident. I now run a Fusion for bobcats and foxes and the XS24 for coyotes.

In fact these days I have dedicated sets of gear when I switch to foxes/bobcats vs coyotes.
 
Quote:If you think that there is a magic, golden ticket that is going to launch you into predator hunting glory, you are in for a rude awakening. Predator hunting is hard. Coyotes are smart, bobcats are scarce. And because of sharply produced videos the sport is growing exponentially. Predators are unforgiving. There is a steep learning curve. There is no magic call, gun, camo, scent control, decoy. It is a LOT of hard work. It is stand after blank stand, missing the easy shots, calling in nothing but tumble weeds or other hunters.

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Anything worth doing requires one to "pay the dues". Witnessed this exact same issue with new competitive rifle shooters who expected to step into a new arena and perform on a level with the "old timers". It just doesn't happen, so hang in there and welcome to one of the most challenging/rewarding sports I know of. There is a learning curve to any skill and PM provides a real shortcut in that curve.

I've hunted deer all my life, during season, shot a few coyotes that wandered by, presenting targets of opportunity, but was primarily a dedicated HP rifle competitor during the rest of the year(s). When arthritis ended competition, took up coyote hunting, which quickly became addictive! Wasn't long until I only shot a deer when the freezer was MT and spent every spare moment predator hunting. No matter how long one has hunted predators, there's always something to learn and no better place than PM to do so.

Regards,
hm
 
I remember putting out what we called Ghetto blasters with a cassette tape, first 30 seconds was blank, giving you time to get back to your spot after you turned it on. LOL

Now everyone has a Foxpro or such, so many more hunters now. Wish I had a dollar for every-time Lightning Jack was played!
 
When I first got into calling, a friend who was a very skilled caller took me out & the education commenced. We had a friggin' BLAST. I'd done a lot of hunting over the years but not this kind.

I had a Colt AR in 223 but didn't have a hunting load for it. I had a very accurate handload using 68 gr match bullets that wouldn't work well on animals.

So I just grabbed my bolt action 30-06 & started shooting yotes
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Don't be afraid to use what you have to get started.
 
Originally Posted By: CoyotejunkiWish I had a dollar for every-time Lightning Jack was played!

YES!!!! That should be called "new coyote hunter blank stand distress..."
 
I am getting into it for the meat, putting good meat in the freezer and maybe teaching my daughter a better hobby than smoking dope or cell phone all day.

I was doing research on hunting a few years back on a different forum and someone said they called in a bear with a cub distress call and had a realistic stuffed animal bear near the call. A bear came in and attacked the stuffie and tore it up, and that story seemed much more interesting than any of the other tactics I was reading about.

I kept researching online but don’t know anybody in real life that calls, and after spending thousands of dollars the last 6 months getting ready for my first hunt I was shy to ask the missus to spend another $500 on a caller so I focussed on cruising logging roads 4km hoping to run into a bear and sneaking into clearcuts hoping to see something. Nothing happened and after finding a ton of scats on the road I asked myself “what’s the next step after finding sign, for real?” “Endlessly drive this road over and over until he shows up?” “Start bushwhacking into the woods and scare him off or walk into an ambush?” “Or buy a caller?”

So I went and bought a caller and am going back tomorrow to as safely as possible try this out. My main questions are set ups in old clearcuts that have grown in for a few years and along old logging roads
 
I just got into it figuring it was just another way to get body counts while trapping.
Had an old e-caller with very few sounds so I borrowed one they had at my son’s work.
I was shooting hogs and the occasional coyote when one was seen.
First time I used the caller a pack lit off and that hooked me.
It just got worse from there, lol. When I start something I go all in. New rifles, new e-caller, another thermal, suppressors. I’m now “set up” and absolutely love it! I’ll trap sections of a property and call in the other sections.
It’s not as easy as you read about. You don’t get the whole experience from most posts.
Finding coyotes or whatever it is you after is the first step. You don’t read about going out multiple nights just trying to locate coyotes. You make your best WAG and hit the caller and two different groups sound off 500+ yards in opposite directions from your location. No since in calling cause down here they ain’t coming.
Either move on them if possible or wait until the next night and pray the wind is right. This happens a lot for me, may not for other hunters.
You finally get in their bedroom and hit the caller and things get Western real quick.
I equate the adrenaline rush the same as having a gobbler come in to your calling except this is extremely fast paced.
It seems when you start out and even to this day mistakes will be made and there seems to be an infinite amount!
But, when it all comes together and you squeeze that trigger and hear the thwack of the bullet hitting your target and watch it fall in the scope…well there ain’t nothing better.
 
I hear so much negativity about lightning jack, and because there are no jacks for hundreds of miles I never used it. One day last spring I hit it by mistake at a pretty high volume after about 20 minutes on last stand of the day. Nothing to lose I let it go and don't you know two coyotes came running . Only got off one shot, a miss, but I plan to try it again next season.
 
I think it has more to do with the time of year than with any one particular call.

I have called in plenty of coyotes using sounds that I know coyotes never hear. Years ago I called them in using a penguin distress call. I've called them in using jackal sounds.

Coyotes seem to be pattern oriented. During certain times of the year certain calls will get better results than during the rest of the year.

I would also pay attention to how many other predator hunters you run across while you are out. If you are anywhere near a Cabelas, Bass Pro Sportsman's Warehouse be ready for people overusing calls. I have seen obvious beginners to the sport near those store using the same calls over and over. When that happens I'll switch out to a sound that they are not using. If I hear Lightning Jack going over and over, I'll go to something else like Snowshoe Hare. I don't care that I'm in the desert...a switch like that can pull them in.

Sometimes changing up your sequence can help set the mood. Again, if guys are over using the dying rabbit blues, I'll switch into a combo sequence like a howl running while I hammer out some jackrabbit/cottontal hand calls. 2 calls at the same time seems to be productive in overcalled areas.

Don't be afraid to try new things. And don't be too quick to get frustrated. This is a frustrating sport. You watch the videos on YouTube and it looks like those guys are 100% successful. They're not. But who would watch videos of blank stands? Kill porn sells. But as someone who has shot videos and called for the camera, it takes a LOT of stands just to get enough material for a single video.

You are going to pull blanks...we all do. Resist the urge to run out and buy the latest gadget. Odds are that you probably call in more than you see and that might be for any number of reasons...maybe they caught your scent, maybe they spotted your vehicle or even another vehicle in the area, I've even seen plenty of coyotes that spook each other off. Trust me, I've got a room full of those "latest" gadgets that I was convinced would help me call in more predators. Ultimately I ended up figuring out that good locations, good stand set ups and good basic equipment was the "magic" recipe for success.
 
I keep trying inexpensive callers and they've all called coyotes and seriously think sounds are one of the least important parts of the stand. I don't own a scope I've ever paid more than $300. for they all kill just fine for me. This sport doesn't need to be expensive but it does take work. My thoughts are if you have make a choice between a $150. Burris FF-ll and a $1200 Nightforce buy the Burris and put a $1000 worth of gas in your truck it will get you far more predator, Same with callers, camo(Walmart camo works). Once you have a bunch of hours under your belt you get to know where more bucks will put more fur on the boards.
 
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what would you consider a "as cheap as it can be" starter set?
caliber, calls,.. etc?
currently i have a 223 ar, bolt 22-250 and bolt 6.5 CM. i have equipment to reload but i haven't started yet, but that is on the list.
You have all the rifles you need. What you need the most of (and it won't cost you anything) is patience. You don't even have to buy a call or a $600 Foxpro. I started out just sucking on the palm of my hand. Making different variations of kissing sounds.
Learn to go to areas where the coyotes are. Depending on where you live, it could be close. Get to less traveled areas where the coyotes don't have much contact with hunters. That is lazy hunters. It might be a long hike, but most won't put in that much effort.
It's like fishing, if you put in enough time and effort, sooner or later you will figure out the right combination and find success.
 
That being the case I have to say that the XS24 is by far my favorite and killingest caller that I've had. The volume is impressive and the call clarity is spectacular. I used a CS24 for years and I almost cried when it died. But the body count on my XS24 dried those tears right up.

I made the mistake of pinching pennies when I got started and I went through a variety of ecallers. I had a Johnny Stewart PM1 but the cord git coyotes too close. So I experimented with several wireless callers...all of which left much to be desired. So I went back to the PM1 and used it for years. When I finally saved my lunch money I bought a FoxPro Scorpion that I used for 13 years. When it died I upgraded to a Crossfire which met it's demise to a friendly fire incident. I now run a Fusion for bobcats and foxes and the XS24 for coyotes.

In fact these days I have dedicated sets of gear when I switch to foxes/bobcats vs coyotes.
I'm curious on the reasoning behind the two callers. Size, volume level, decoy?
 
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