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I load for my old English upland 10ga Damascus barreled, she's a light weight. I do 1 1/8 oz NP BB over 80gr of 2F, brass hull with fiber wads, decent predator load to 40 yards. 1 oz of 7 1/2 in a BPI non-steel wad over 700x in a cut down Federal 3 1/2 hull with a fold crimp for targets and light upland, 16ga fiber filler wad in the bottom of the wad. I converted a Mec 2 3/4" 20ga loader to.fold.crimp the short 10's. I size the Feds in a a Mec Super Sizer.