question for anyone that lives in the west I am in Wyoming and have the fox pro inferno I have been reading and watching videos along with trying to hunt coyotes for the past 4 years and have not called any in only ones I have got have been when I was elk hunting my question is is the fox pro inferno loud enough to cut through the wind and pull in coyotes I know others have found and killed coyotes in the same places I have tried everyone just leaves them lay here any ideas I am looking at the x24 fox pro but dont really want to spend 550 on the call any ideas I have tried all the sounds and bought a bunch of different sounds thanks in advance
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hunt0168
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I agree with crapshoot on the “other factors” guess. Probably less to do with the Inferno, and more to do with everything else.
If you’re finding dead coyotes lying around, that were killed by someone else, you have pressured coyotes. That in itself makes “everything else” you do, that much more critical.
If you’re finding dead coyotes lying around, that were killed by someone else, you have pressured coyotes. That in itself makes “everything else” you do, that much more critical.
hunt0168
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What’s the general terrain you’re calling? Wide open, see forever? Tighter, brushy? Hills and draws?
Are you setting up with good concealment or with a decent back cover? Are you trying to keep the sun at your back when possible?
How far out are you setting your caller? Is is it out a ways and upwind of your position? Can and do you have a good view of your downwind side?
There’s a lot of things to consider, and really pay attention to. Especially if your competing with other callers out there. I’m an eastern hunter and assume my terrain is generally much tighter than what you have. That said, in the simplest of terms I would first look at the terrain features, find a good calling position where I could see well downwind of the caller and base my calls on what the coyotes are up to for the time of year. Right now I would be vocal heavy working on breeding/territorial interactions. At least here in the northeast. They all have to eat, so a little distress never hurts.
It’s been argued by some that coyotes east/west require different tactics. I don’t know about that? I haven’t hunted west, so I really can’t say. I can only make assumptions that coyotes everywhere use the wind and terrain to their advantage, and time of year dictates how they respond/react to other coyotes in their area.
Your going up against a professional survival expert. They make the best callers frustrated at times. Keep at it and I assure you, once you get that first one under your belt it will light a fire in you. You will start to really pay attention to every tiny detail of your setups. Things you overlooked forever begin to be obvious. The torment and frustrations you have now are nothing most of us are not familiar with. Keep at it and it’ll happen!
Good luck!
Are you setting up with good concealment or with a decent back cover? Are you trying to keep the sun at your back when possible?
How far out are you setting your caller? Is is it out a ways and upwind of your position? Can and do you have a good view of your downwind side?
There’s a lot of things to consider, and really pay attention to. Especially if your competing with other callers out there. I’m an eastern hunter and assume my terrain is generally much tighter than what you have. That said, in the simplest of terms I would first look at the terrain features, find a good calling position where I could see well downwind of the caller and base my calls on what the coyotes are up to for the time of year. Right now I would be vocal heavy working on breeding/territorial interactions. At least here in the northeast. They all have to eat, so a little distress never hurts.
It’s been argued by some that coyotes east/west require different tactics. I don’t know about that? I haven’t hunted west, so I really can’t say. I can only make assumptions that coyotes everywhere use the wind and terrain to their advantage, and time of year dictates how they respond/react to other coyotes in their area.
Your going up against a professional survival expert. They make the best callers frustrated at times. Keep at it and I assure you, once you get that first one under your belt it will light a fire in you. You will start to really pay attention to every tiny detail of your setups. Things you overlooked forever begin to be obvious. The torment and frustrations you have now are nothing most of us are not familiar with. Keep at it and it’ll happen!
Good luck!
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general terrain im hunting in is wide open hills and draws also hunt in the mountains with sage cover only kind of back cover usually is a yucca plant or some sage I have been setting up my stands down from the top of the hills making sure im not skyline so I can see forever. putting the call out about 80 yards from me and have been setting it all different way with the wind and can always see way down wind of me. as far as sounds I have been really trying the mfk sounds I bought for vocals and then prairie dog destress because they are everywhere and im assuming thats mostly what they eat dont know if I am right about that I usually start off with lone howls and just play that threw one time then switch to a female howl. then I switch to dog fight let that play out then hurt coyote after that I try some destress and end with pup destress. with the pauses in-between them it is about 15 min or so on stand then I sit for 5-10. mins after just being quiet and watching then I move on and do it again or switch sounds on the next stand
Newpond0
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Some guys go and scout first by walking around and doing a locator call in the evening/at night. If u yet a howl back remember that spot and come back on a different day sneaking in real close and call. If no howl back move on and keep looking for spots like that. Eventually you'll have a bunch of different confirmed howl back spots to call, rotating them.
spotstalkshoot
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What time of day are you typically setting up/calling? How far from road/vehicle, wind direction when you leave the vehicle (can you see the vehicle)?
Duhhh
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Some might have a different opinion but here’s mine. I haven’t had very much luck with throwing out a variety of different howls.
This time of year I do start my stands with a howl but I stick to that howl for a couple iterations. For example, female invitation, sore howls, or come here lonely howl etc. I’ll let that play on repeat for 3-5 times. MFKs Torry Cook was in the Top Dog Predator Podcast talking about an actual female invitation howl and how his females would spout off the same howl in long strings all night. I gave that a shot one night a few weeks ago and it payed off big time on pairs and single coyotes. If I have a pair answering me or being vocal, I’ll play a pair howl from time to time.
I will usually go into distress after the sequence of howls and save my fights for the end of the stand. I’ve started to play sounds (yips, growls, etc) working up to my fights.
For me, not being aggressive from the beginning has helped some.
For daytime calling, I find most of my success by walking away from the road a few miles. I get that’s not everyone’s cup of tea but I don’t mind and it’s helped with more successful stands. You just gotta be a little more mindful that you’re not bumping coyotes out as your walking in.
From my own experiences; 90% of the time, during daylight hours. A coyote will prefer to bed down in ground cover. IF...you do not know the lay out of the land you are hunting, hills, draw, timber, tall grass areas, ect. I would search your hunt are on google maps. To at least see an aerial view of the terrain & ground cover areas.
Then if, you have access to all of the ground surround cover areas. Walk in crosswind quietly. To a spot where you can set up to call. Providing any coyote in that cover area to YOUR cross wind. Can not see you set up. Try to set up where you can see 180deg from that cover area up ahead of you. A coyote may come right at you or it may come in from your down wind area trying to scent. As to what is making that noise. Myself when I do call a cover area. I "try" to set up where I have a hill between myself & the cover area up ahead to my cross wind. I cast my call sound, over the hill top. Aiming slightly up wind from that cover area. So the wind can assist in carrying my sound down wind & into that cover area. MOST coyotes even coyotes bedded down in a cover area. Will face a down wind angle. So if your hunt terrain on mostly open ground. Walking into that area with the wind in your face is not an ideal tactic.
Then if, you have access to all of the ground surround cover areas. Walk in crosswind quietly. To a spot where you can set up to call. Providing any coyote in that cover area to YOUR cross wind. Can not see you set up. Try to set up where you can see 180deg from that cover area up ahead of you. A coyote may come right at you or it may come in from your down wind area trying to scent. As to what is making that noise. Myself when I do call a cover area. I "try" to set up where I have a hill between myself & the cover area up ahead to my cross wind. I cast my call sound, over the hill top. Aiming slightly up wind from that cover area. So the wind can assist in carrying my sound down wind & into that cover area. MOST coyotes even coyotes bedded down in a cover area. Will face a down wind angle. So if your hunt terrain on mostly open ground. Walking into that area with the wind in your face is not an ideal tactic.
hunt0168
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I actually witnessed this occurrence one night. After several hours of night calling I called it quits. Upon pulling into my driveway and stepping out of my truck, I heard a single lone howl off in the distance. Then another. And another. I stood in my driveway for probably a half hour or more listening to this one coyote howling every 30 seconds to a minute. Never experienced this before. Not long after this, I heard Tory talking about it on the Foxpro Podcast I think.
BTW… I didn’t have access to the property the coyote was vocalizing from, so I was content to just sit and listen. Pretty cool experience.
K22-hornet
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What hunt0168 said: "If you’re finding dead coyotes lying around, that were killed by someone else, you have pressured coyotes. That in itself makes “everything else” you do, that much more critical."
I hunt a lot of pressured public lands, and I use handcalls to good effect.
You are using a Foxpro. If the guy out before you used a Foxpro and called in a pair, but only killed one, I figure the surviving coyote will not come to that same Foxpro sound again.
With my handcalls, I can add emotions to the calling sequence that an e-caller doesn't have, so even if the coyote has heard a cottontail in distress sound, it likey has never heard my cottontail in distress sounds.
Even after surviving a bad encounter with a cottontail distress call, whether my handcall or an ecall, that same coyote will continue to hear real cottontail rabbits in distress and continue to investigate.
For example, my Sceery AP-6, Cottontail Distress, sounds different than my old Weems wood-barrel Cottontail distress. On the flipside, the Cottontail Distress on a Foxpro or Luckyduck is likely the exact same sound on each machine each company produces.
Try handcalls on those pressured coyotes.
Good luck, and keep us posted.
I hunt a lot of pressured public lands, and I use handcalls to good effect.
You are using a Foxpro. If the guy out before you used a Foxpro and called in a pair, but only killed one, I figure the surviving coyote will not come to that same Foxpro sound again.
With my handcalls, I can add emotions to the calling sequence that an e-caller doesn't have, so even if the coyote has heard a cottontail in distress sound, it likey has never heard my cottontail in distress sounds.
Even after surviving a bad encounter with a cottontail distress call, whether my handcall or an ecall, that same coyote will continue to hear real cottontail rabbits in distress and continue to investigate.
For example, my Sceery AP-6, Cottontail Distress, sounds different than my old Weems wood-barrel Cottontail distress. On the flipside, the Cottontail Distress on a Foxpro or Luckyduck is likely the exact same sound on each machine each company produces.
Try handcalls on those pressured coyotes.
Good luck, and keep us posted.
While I agree with MJ as to calling to cover, I like to walk in into the wind. I'm never letting my scent cover an area I want to call and it gives me the option of either setting up either left or right of my trail. Walking into the wind the only place your scent is going is where you've already have been. Walking in cross wind your scent covers half of the area you could be calling.
When walking in you have to think about sky lining yourself also. Walk in below the crest try and be as quiet as possible.
What works for me and I've hunted a number of western states and most of the places I'm cold calling places I've never been before. Walking as quietly as possible, pick the first stand location that will work, don't walk around looking for the best place, you can do that after you completed the stand for future reference. Set your caller out slightly upwind in a cross wind stand so you can see a downwind approach but still see a coyote or cat coming from any direction. Pick a sound, rabbit, bird or rodent, not a tree for miles and a woodpecker works, don't get hooked on matching the local prey you just want something that is exciting. I start it out low so I can barely hear it then after a few minutes gradually increase it. Then I just raise and lower the volume like the wind is carrying the sound. At around the 12-15 minute mark I start to gradually decrease and end the stand and wait a couple minutes in silence before collecting your gear and moving on, Now is the time to check out the area to see if there would have been a better place to set up.
On the stand, sit quietly and don't move. once you've started the caller the only thing that should move is your head SLOWLY scanning the area. if you feel you have to have binos use them before you turn on the caller and after you've turned it off. Don't mess with your scope it should be on the lowest power, that will cover 90% of the coyotes you call in, you will have plenty of time to turn it up if all you have is a long shot at a hung up coyote. If you make a volume change slowly move your hand to the remote, I have mine velcroed to my thigh so I don't have to fumble with it or have it fall to the ground. If you catch a movement in the distance don't fixate on it, keep scanning and keep the movement spot in your peripheral vision, be on the lookout for something that wasn't there earlier.
There is nothing fancy here, no magic sounds or sequences, no catering to breeding season just basic predator calling, KISS goes a long way calling predators. As you gain experience you can work other things into you calling and experiment.
Good luck to you
When walking in you have to think about sky lining yourself also. Walk in below the crest try and be as quiet as possible.
What works for me and I've hunted a number of western states and most of the places I'm cold calling places I've never been before. Walking as quietly as possible, pick the first stand location that will work, don't walk around looking for the best place, you can do that after you completed the stand for future reference. Set your caller out slightly upwind in a cross wind stand so you can see a downwind approach but still see a coyote or cat coming from any direction. Pick a sound, rabbit, bird or rodent, not a tree for miles and a woodpecker works, don't get hooked on matching the local prey you just want something that is exciting. I start it out low so I can barely hear it then after a few minutes gradually increase it. Then I just raise and lower the volume like the wind is carrying the sound. At around the 12-15 minute mark I start to gradually decrease and end the stand and wait a couple minutes in silence before collecting your gear and moving on, Now is the time to check out the area to see if there would have been a better place to set up.
On the stand, sit quietly and don't move. once you've started the caller the only thing that should move is your head SLOWLY scanning the area. if you feel you have to have binos use them before you turn on the caller and after you've turned it off. Don't mess with your scope it should be on the lowest power, that will cover 90% of the coyotes you call in, you will have plenty of time to turn it up if all you have is a long shot at a hung up coyote. If you make a volume change slowly move your hand to the remote, I have mine velcroed to my thigh so I don't have to fumble with it or have it fall to the ground. If you catch a movement in the distance don't fixate on it, keep scanning and keep the movement spot in your peripheral vision, be on the lookout for something that wasn't there earlier.
There is nothing fancy here, no magic sounds or sequences, no catering to breeding season just basic predator calling, KISS goes a long way calling predators. As you gain experience you can work other things into you calling and experiment.
Good luck to you
I usually like a mile but moving into the wind it could be less if there is some ground that looks good. I've walked in a 100 from the road and did a blank stand and walked across the road, went in a hundred yards and killed a coyote. The terrain your in and the conditions your calling in will tell you.
I used to take long hikes through no vehicle areas, hilly with brushy bottons moving into the wind and making stands to the left. Then move a half mile to the right walking down wind towards the truck making stands on the left( away from the way in) that way you are calling new ground the whole way.
K22-hornet
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"AWS that makes perfect sense I am usually scanning and looking with my binos so more than likely moving to much how far. apart is a good distance to go before the next stand is a 1/4 to half mile to far or not far enough"
Moving and scanning will get you busted.
I will scan the area when I sit down, and then again before I stand up. I very rarely scan in the middle of a set.
When I first sit down and scan, many, many times I have seen a coyote waaay out there, watching me set up. I do not call to that coyote. I figure he saw me sit down and if I start calling, he might put 2 & 2 together, and be harder to call next time. Instead, I wait a few minutes after he disappears, and then start calling.
Before I stand up, I'll scan the area again, and will occasionally see one trotting in from quite a distance that I could not see without the binos.
As to the distance between sets, on really windy days, I might only go 200yds, while on a very calm day, I might go 500yds or more. It depends on the terrain, my experience with the property, the wind and sun, and maybe a 'gut' feeling.
I've written about a honey hole I used to have, 710 acres of coyote heaven. Most of the time, I would go no further than 300yds or so between stands. That property made me think a lot about coyote boundaries/territories. I believe the coyotes know the boundary line and are not willing to cross it, if the prey animal, that's me, is to deep in the other coyotes territory.
However, if I am near the line, the other coyote might be tempted to cross the line for an easy meal.
That is why, even in the wide open spaces of Eastern Colorado, I might only go a few hundred yards between stands.
Anyway, you are getting some very good advice from these guys.
Moving and scanning will get you busted.
I will scan the area when I sit down, and then again before I stand up. I very rarely scan in the middle of a set.
When I first sit down and scan, many, many times I have seen a coyote waaay out there, watching me set up. I do not call to that coyote. I figure he saw me sit down and if I start calling, he might put 2 & 2 together, and be harder to call next time. Instead, I wait a few minutes after he disappears, and then start calling.
Before I stand up, I'll scan the area again, and will occasionally see one trotting in from quite a distance that I could not see without the binos.
As to the distance between sets, on really windy days, I might only go 200yds, while on a very calm day, I might go 500yds or more. It depends on the terrain, my experience with the property, the wind and sun, and maybe a 'gut' feeling.
I've written about a honey hole I used to have, 710 acres of coyote heaven. Most of the time, I would go no further than 300yds or so between stands. That property made me think a lot about coyote boundaries/territories. I believe the coyotes know the boundary line and are not willing to cross it, if the prey animal, that's me, is to deep in the other coyotes territory.
However, if I am near the line, the other coyote might be tempted to cross the line for an easy meal.
That is why, even in the wide open spaces of Eastern Colorado, I might only go a few hundred yards between stands.
Anyway, you are getting some very good advice from these guys.