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I've always been a huge fan of Win' shells.Ever since I started reloading I try to use them as much as possible.Most of the turkeys I've taken over the last 25 years or so have been with Win 2 3/4" hulls reloaded with 4 shot.I've taken a few with 6 but I agree it's to light at distance for my taste.Broke my heart when they discontinued their 3" buffered BB load.It patterned just a bit better for me than Fed's copper plated load for a fraction of the cost.