Kick's vs. Wad Wizard

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jwg223

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Well, I finally am getting around to purchasing a choke tube. I am planning on ordering it monday.

What has everyone's experience been? I am going to either get a Wad Wizard or a Kick's Buck Kicker. What is going to put more shot in the black at the long ranges? I will be shooting OO-#4 buck mainly.
 
You be sure to keep me posted IF you get the Kicks choke and how it performs with buckshot, I have been thinking of buying one myself! I dont know anything about the Wizard.
 
My Comp-N-Choke in my Beretta extrema II put 10 OO buckshot in a doe last year at almost 90yds. I had a Patternmaster in my old Benelli but went with my buddies suggestion and got the Comp-N-Choke for my Beretta. I love it and it cost less than $50. I killed 5 deer with that combo and all them were DRT witch is unheard of with buckshot.
 
I just got my Kick's, Buck Kicker yesterday for the Beretta 303.

So I will be testing it tomorrow and see it if does better than the Pattern Master.
 
You know I am a Kick's fan. The chokes are beautifully made and of the highest quality and the performance they give is a direct result of that. As much as that good performance sells me on their chokes, so does the customer service on the other end. Ol' Chuck there at Kick's will take care of you and does business the way companies use to do so. The customer is right and he aims to please. If you buy a choke from Chuck and it doesn't do what you think it should, give him a call and he'll swap you out for another choke of a different constriction until you find the magic combination. BTW, he also owns Comp n' Choke and the two chokes are made in the same factory if I'm not mistaken.

With all that said, it is nearly impossible to answer the question as you posed it. Shotguns, chokes, and loads are so finicky that only shooting your gun with a variety of combinations will tell you what is that "magic combination." If a guy shoots enough shot through enough chokes he'll find something something that just clicks for him.
 
GC, you made this statement about Chuck - "Ol' Chuck there at Kick's will take care of you and does business the way companies use to do so."

Heres what happened:
My order was shipped by Fedx, the tracking No. was showing the package was still sitting at one of their facility's in GA for 3 days. So I dropped an e-mail to Chuck just to let him know and nothing else.

Well Chuck sent me an e-mail with in an hour and told me he would have another one on the way by USPS. About an hour later I checked the # again and I see where the package was now in Oregon. So I sent e-mail back to Chuck and told him what was happening so that he could cancel the order.

So I thought to myself, this Chuck guy is A OK!! He was very gracious to just want to send a choke right off to me with out hesitation. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
I went ahead and got the Kicks Full Choke (.685) Buck Kicker. In a previous conversation with Chuck, he claimed it would put 12-13 pellets in a 12-15" circle at 40 yards and the other 2-3 may be fliers.

While at the range with my Primos Dead Deer choke and Remington 3" 15 pellet OO I was putting 7-8 pellets on a 14x18 paper at 50 yards. I think the Kicks should do better, no?

I chose USPS Priority mail and live in LA, so it should get to me by Wednesday at the latest.
 
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I just got my Kick's, Buck Kicker yesterday for the Beretta 303.

So I will be testing it tomorrow and see it if does better than the Pattern Master.



Results?
 
Well, my Kicks .685 Buck Kicker choke came in today and I patterned it at 15,25,40, and 50 yards. WIth various OO Buckshot.

It performed very poorly at any distance past 15 yards.

With Remington 3" buck (normally a 12-14" circle with my el-cheapo Primos Dead Deer choke, wouldn't get more than 10-12 pellets even on the paper at 25 yards (using 14x18" targets). The Winchester 3" XX Supreme was even worse (The Primos tube would keep them all on paper, the Kicks put maybe 2/3 of them on paper @ 25yards). The Winchester 2.75" XX Supreme did okay, a hair better than it did from my stock MOD tube that came with my M4.

Then I backed off to 50 yards with the 2.75 Supreme. It put 5 pellets on target (For reference, my stock MOD choke would put 2-3 pellets in a 6" circle every time at 50 yards with this load). The 3" Supreme put 2 on target, marginally.

For reference, my 3" Remington from the Primos would put 7-8 on target at 50 yards, and at 25 yards they were all in about a 12-14" circle.

The only thing I can say is the choke appears well-made and looks cool. I will call Chuck tomorrow and see what he recommends that I do, but as of now, I am not impressed with my results. From what I have heard of him though, he will get things straightened out for me. +1 for good customer service.

ETA: I just read my instructions that came with the choke. Says "Patterns inside 20" at 40 yards are attainable with premium, copper-plated buckshot" so basically when I want to shoot my cheap remington ammo and get good patterns, use my Primos, when I shoot premium stuff, use the Kicks. I will probably shelf the Kicks though as the Primos throws better patterns with much cheaper ammo.
 
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Chuck will take care of you, don't worry about that part. I would suggest you use less constriction for 00 Buck. I think you are overchoked. When you said you ordered that .685" for 00 Buck I started to mention that I felt that was too tight, but it was already done then. Tell Chuck your results and see if he doesn't recommend a more open constriction. BTW, did your patterns have a "donut" look to them? That is an open area in the center and a ring of sparsely scattered shot around the blank center?
 
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Chuck will take care of you, don't worry about that part. I would suggest you use less constriction for 00 Buck. I think you are overchoked. When you said you ordered that .685" for 00 Buck I started to mention that I felt that was too tight, but it was already done then. Tell Chuck your results and see if he doesn't recommend a more open constriction. BTW, did your patterns have a "donut" look to them? That is an open area in the center and a ring of sparsely scattered shot around the blank center?



Not really, at 15 yards they were nice, but past that they just "fell apart". If anything, the only thing I noticed was "clumping" I had a LOT of 2 pellet strikes right next to each other. At 25 yards the Remington 3" peppered the whole page and backstop around it. It seemed somewhat evenly distributed, minus the clumping I mentioned.

I bought the loosest choke recommended for OO Buck.

He has .690/.685/.680

The .690 is for OOO Buck (which "strung" or looked "blown" when fired from this .685).

I will call him tomorrow and see what he thinks, but I bought the tube he recommended last time we spoke. I was just kinda let down because my Primos is also a .685 constriction and does GREAT! I thought the Kicks would be better for 2X the money.

What constriction would you suggest?
 
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Chuck wants me to try a .680 choke. He is sending me one. He also said he thinks there is something wrong with my .685 choke and he was shocked that my Primos choke threw patterns twice as tight as his choke. He was very polite and impressed the [beeep] out of me with his willingness to put his resources out there in whatever capacity it took to deliver a setup that performed properly. I am VERY HAPPY with my dealings with him thus far. +1

Basically he is sending me 2 more chokes and wants me to send back the 2 that don't work, failing that, send all 3 back and he will refund my money or try different constrictions until we get a working combo.
 
Oopps, just caught this again. He has you going tighter? I am a little surprised and really anxious to see how that works out. Please let us know the results of your further testing. Chuck is good people and as I said, he does business the old fashioned way, he is gonna make you happy one way or another. Keep us updated... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
Well, I patterned the chokes.

X-Full BK: Did pretty good out to 25 yards, at 30 yards there was a very noticeable donut pattern with 9-pellet 2.75" OO Buck. With the 3" shells, which is what is recommended for it, there was what I call "blown/strung" patterns. That is to say, they were about 8-12" wide with some fliers, but over 20" tall top to bottom at 25-30 yards.

The Full BK sent to me performed exactly as the original one I had did. Erratic and poor patterns past 20-25 yards.

In short, Kick's is refunding my purchase. My Primos Dead Deer tube still outperformed the Kick's tubes by a good margin. I am still not satisfied with it, as I feel improvement can be made and that it IS possible to get "consistant patterns within 20" at 40 yards." I will be buying a Wad Wizard Supreme in my search for a tight-patterning buckshot tube.

MY barrel just does not like Kick's tubes, for whatever reason.

However. Kick's tubes are VERY well made and I loved how it looked/fit on my M4. I really wish my shotgun had liked the tube. They are great tubes and Kick's Ind. is a great company to deal with. Shotguns are finicky creatures I am learning. My experience with Kick's was nothing but positive, however, and I recommend their product. If your shotgun likes it, they are great people and great products.
 
I still think you were overchoked, that is Chuck gave you too tight a constriction to try with 00 Buck. Given what you experienced the first time, I think something about like an Improved Modified constriction would work out best for you. Let us know how the next choke selection and test go.
 
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I still think you were overchoked, that is Chuck gave you too tight a constriction to try with 00 Buck. Given what you experienced the first time, I think something about like an Improved Modified constriction would work out best for you. Let us know how the next choke selection and test go.



Will do, I am getting kinda burned out on choke testing though. I tend to like more exact sciences. If the Wad Wizard I buy doesn't do it for me, I am just going to screw the stock MOD choke back in and forget about it.
 
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