Desert/High Desert Hunters

ChasinTails

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Just out of curiosity, what is the typical distance between two of your stands? Obviously, in a thicker mountainous area with more tall cover (I guess those'd be called trees and I haven't seen many of those since I moved here from Idaho in '92 /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif), they would be shorter. But in the desert, what is the typical distance? 500..1000 yds, a mile? Just curious....

Thanks in advance for any info.

Still Chasin...
 
I don't know that there is a set answer for you. I've heard people say for years 1/2 to a 1 mile between stands. But if your limited on land this doens't work so well. Last winter I called in and killed several, where I'd picked up and moved less than a few hundred yards. So, I set up on stands that look good, and pay attention to the wind. Seems to work well for me.
 
It's all about terrain and coyote population..

This weekend I killed two coyotes, two stands, 400yds apart.

First stand was kind of in a bowl type valley, 2nd stand I set up just on the other side of the east ridge of the valley.

I've also killed dogs on stands that were only 100yds apart, like just sitting on the other side of a ridge or something and of course I've made stands that were miles apart, counties apart, etc...

The terrain will tell you what to do.
 
Yep terrain determines how far you go. Flat and open country could be up to a mile or more. Depends if I've used hand calls or have the FX5 blasting.

Flat, but heavy cover could be 300 yards to the next stand.

Closes I've been between stands is 200 yards. First stand was nothing. Hopped to the next ridge over, killed 2 in a deep draw.

Depends on what type of sign your seeing on the ground.
When I drive, I'am always looking for scat and tracks, the more I see, the shorter the distance between stands.

Out here yotes, cats like to use the washes and draws as their freeways. Dirt roads to depending on where your at.

Just never know!!!!!!!!!
 
I think that this really depends on how far coyotes can hear your call to a certain extent. I hunt deep canyon break country and often don't have to move vary far to start calling again. I use hand calls so they don't carry as far as some of the electronic calls.

Sometimes I only move a few hundred yards and sometimes several miles to get to stand sites I've used for nearly 40 years.

Here's an idea of the country I typically hunt.

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Our River breaks.

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I haven't hunted the desert country much, but did spend a year down in the Phoenix AZ area and did much further between sets down there than up here in Idaho.
 
Rich Higgins pointed something out to me a while back that I had never really considered before. Desert coyotes never get REALLY hungry. There's always something for them to eat whether it's animal, plant, or insect matter. They may LIKE some things better than others but unlike coyotes that live in harsher climates, there's never any reason for them to go hungry. That said, I've come to the conclusion that desert coyotes are kind of lazy. You really have to catch one in the right state of mind for one to come a mile to your call. If they are up and moving, the farther they come I think. If they are laid up relaxing, I think you can give them the sweetest serenade of bunny blues they've ever heard and they won't budge sometimes if they determine that the distance is too great. What I'm getting at is this. If you're in an area that has a good population and you see another spot that you think would be a good place to call even though it's only a few hundred yards from that last spot, try it anyway. You just may have closed the distance enough that a lazy, sleepy coyote will come see what's up. Another reason I'm leaning toward this line of thinking is that the vast majority of coyotes I call in show up within 2 minutes or so, sometimes as little as 30 seconds. I don't sit stands for 30 minutes anymore. I may walk away from some, but I waste a lot less time.

Please pardon the ramblings of a thoroughly demented coyote calling enthusiast.
 
If I have a choice I hunt high desert areas because it's more open, usually making it easier to see animals coming to your calling. I usually start making stands a mile or so apart in good looking country. If the action starts to pick up I'll make it a 1/2 mile, if it gets even better it's a 1/4 mile or less.
To me it's not so much the terrian as it is the responces I'm getting. If I make 4 or 5 stands and I get nothing, I'm moving to another area where I hope the animals are moving. If not I'll keep moving tell I do find em.
Over the years I've had some "really good hony holes" where I'd just make stands less then a 1/4 mile apart and get singles, doubles, triples and more at times. Why move far if they keep coming in? Actually I'm not moving at all if they keep coming in lol.
Jimanaz, you're one of the few that hunts coyotes and don't wast time.......Smart move. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
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Well now I didn't say that I don't waste time, just not as much as I used to. I still waste plenty BSing after the stand is called, having a cold drink, snacking, enjoying being out, etc. Those hard core contest winners who make 20-30 stands a day would run me ragged. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Sore, Semper Fi
Noticed that you change out of the best desert camo made into prarie ghost, wish I could get a set of authentic marpat digital desert cammies. I was a Jarhead in 1958 and used to call on Camp Pendleton. By the way , thank you for serving us, you are part of the new "greatest generation".
 
Good point Jimanaz and Danny... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif

Jimanaz now that you mention it, I can't remember the last time I shot a coyote with what I would consider an empty belly...

All the yotes I've bagged this year seemed to have full bellys and looked in real good shape whether they were young or older dogs...

Seems that analogy has alot of merit.....

So if that's really true and I believe it is, in that given area where the dogs aren't hungry, would you use more coyote sounds to arouse them from their sleepy beds, because of territory issue?????

Seems any coyote or pack would not tolerate a stranger in his house.. Sure couldn't hurt to use just coyote vocalization this time of year.

I say this as I went out yesterday for several stands, saw fresh scat and tracks beyond believe and got no takers.
I used pup distress on several stands and nothing.

Of course they may have been out of ear shot too!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
 
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So if that's really true and I believe it is, in that given area where the dogs aren't hungry, would you use more coyote sounds to arouse them from their sleepy beds, because of territory issue?????




There you go again with your Coyote Vocals /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif.. Haven't you learned anything in the last year? Hopeless /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
 
LOL!!!!!!! Tim I should have known you would take a shot at that one........................ /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif

I guess that means you don't have any of those calls programmed into your FX5??????????? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif

I guess I'd get smacked on the head hunting with you if I let out a howl on the stand.............. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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I guess I'd get smacked on the head hunting with you if I let out a howl on the stand.............. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



You would if you did it at the beginning of the stand. If you want to howl, do it when I'm done calling.

GJJ, I do like coyote vocals. I use pup-distress immediately after every coyote I kill and sometimes just as a normal call. Howls are a different story for me though. I don't use them very often and if I do then I only use them at the end of a stand to try and locate any dogs that might just be stubborn. I especially think that if you are howling this time of year then you are only hurting your chances of killing as many coyotes as possible. Of course I know that some are succesful with howling, but I also think that if they would just skip the howling and start a distress call then they would kill more.

EXAMPLE: We all hear coyotes howl right?? Of course we do. But when is the last time you heard a coyote howl and then 1-5 minutes later heard a rabbit start screaming?? I can almost bet that very few of us, if any have had that pleasure. I know I haven't.

I don't know much and certainly am not an expert by any means, I just let the coyotes dictate what I do. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
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Sure couldn't hurt to use just coyote vocalization this time of year.




I'm guessing that "No Gloves Tim" already jarred some info loose about coyote sounds this time of year. Probably echos what I have to say. Too many young, timid dogs around right now. They may come cautiously to get a look see but you may not see them. Younger ones won't come in looking to kick some azz. Stick with puppy sounds until mid to late winter. The ones that are still around will be much more territorial by then.

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I used pup distress on several stands and nothing.



There's good days and bad days. It happens to all of us. I start with prey sounds and if no takers will try pup distress before quitting the stand. Although you had a bad day calling it was still better than working huh?
 
I agree on using an old male howl with pups around, they would be timid. Might be with any howl. Might have to try and see what happens. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif

Yes Jimanaz any day calling without bagging a dog is a great day. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

LOL!!!!! Ed, Sorethroat is no doubt........ /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Soreloser, I copy you, "Lima Charlie", on howling on your stands and getting smacked. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Of course elder abuse is a crime in this state I'll have you know.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

And I will disregard all off Randy Anderson's video's, the eight plus he has now made, and all the money he has made (more than us) as pure self generated BS. I have to include some other video makers too!!!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Guess I better not howl if I want friends......... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

And don't need no stinking camo either, god I'm sorry I'm so screwed up.............. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif
 
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And I will disregard all off Randy Anderson's video's, the eight plus he has now made, and all the money he has made (more than us) as pure self generated BS. I have to include some other video makers too!!!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Guess I better not howl if I want friends......... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

And don't need no stinking camo either, god I'm sorry I'm so screwed up.............. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif



Thanks for making me laugh for the 1st time today. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
This coyote hunting has become so complicated nowadays...It is nice to be able to read this stuff and learn though. Thank you. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
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