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thanks for the advice everyone...sledd i think your right while more magnification is prefered for B.R. shooting. it probably doesn't make much difference at a larger target when you get right down to it...i will try your test sometime soon !! you had a thread on that a bit ago & made perfect sense....wrong target thanks for your input...you are the man on handi's !! it's good to know that scope works on your 30-30...i have a 3x9 on the gun now & will make the switchover after developing a load...lots to talk about i will mention i worked up a few handloads last night & shot four three shot groups    today   one group 3" three groups about 1 1/4 i need to test more of course..."but" i think this will work out...thank's again...